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Information on Use Permits at Dumont

Post by Jerry Seaver » Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:43 pm

We will start the season with the same prices as last year.
We will have a fee increase, but first must present that proposal to the
RRAC for advise. the RRAC will not meet until November. We will
present to the RRAC the fee increase proposal that the TRT recommended.
So, to start the season we will NOT sell annual passes, only the weekly
passes. Then, after the RRAC advise, we will sell the annual passes,
but will provide a discount on the cost of the annual pass of the weekly
pass price to anyone who can show they purchased a weekly pass. So, for
example, if one can show they purchased 2 weekly passes at $20 each,
they would get a $40 off the annual pass price.

Please pass this around to anyone that may be interested.

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Post by Jerry Seaver » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:45 pm

This is the same information that came from Lynnette but this is what is going to be on a flyer that they will be passing out at the Sand Sport Super Show this weekend.



Dumont Sand Dunes Information

October 1, 2007 through September 30, 2008


Weekly passes for Dumont Dunes will be sold for $20 from October 1, until BLM meets with the new Recreation Advisory Council. This council should meet in early October. At that meeting BLM will present the TRT recommended fee plan for 2007. BLM will receive advice form the council then may adjust the fees. After the fee adjustment, BLM will print annual passes and make them available for purchase. This is anticipated to happen in November 2007.

The TRT recommended prices are:
$30 for a weekly pass with holiday black out dates
$90 for an annual pass with holiday black out dates
$10 for a ONE holiday add-on for a weekly or annual pass
$30 for a whole year holiday add-on for an annual pass
The holidays are Halloween, Thanksgiving, New Year’s, President’s Day and Easter. (For 2007, the Halloween holiday will have passes prior to the fee adjustment, but will be counted as a holiday in future years.)

Since the annual passes will not be available at the beginning of the year, BLM will allow a dollar for dollar off-set for weekly passes purchased prior to the availability of the annual pass. For example, turn in 2 weekly passes and get $40 off the annual pass. There are limits on this offset: one may turn in only one weekly pass per week and proof of purchase of the weekly pass by the annual pass buyer, proof of purchase would be shown by return of the pass and showing the receipt with a name or credit card number.


Dumont Dunes

IMPORTANT PASS INFORMATION


BLM IS FAZING OUT SELLING PASSES AT DUMONT DUNES.

PLEASE BUY YOUR PASS OFF-SITE. Show your support of the local gateway communities! Then they will support you and your recreation at Dumont Dunes!

THE BLM WEBPAGE WILL HAVE THE MOST RECENT VENDORS OR CALL BLM AT 760-252-6000.

BLM is in the process of signing the contracts with cooperating pass vendors. No contracts are finalized right now. We anticipate that Valero in Baker will be selling passes. They will also place reminders to duners to buy the passes on their highway signs.

During the faze out, BLM will sell passes onsite by credit card only. So if you do not stop on the way in, please make sure you have a credit card with you.

Please pass this information on!

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Post by RX 4 INSANDITY » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:44 am

Interesting...

Is the separate holiday fee something that we can expect at Glamis in the next year or so (I know it is not planned in 07-08.) :?: :?: :shock:

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Post by Jerry Seaver » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:13 am

Interesting...

Is the separate holiday fee something that we can expect at Glamis in the next year or so (I know it is not planned in 07-08.)

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There isn't any talk about doing this at the ISDRA that I know about at this time. It is mentioned as something for the BLM to consider in the business plan. So you never know.

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Post by Washroad » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:34 am

A "Season Permit" should be just that, a full season.

Paying extra for holidays is really boogus. JMHO
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Post by crash » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:36 am

That's what I was thinking. They are REALLy trying to stretch this double taxation thingy with extras it seems.

Like when it says in the CA vehicle code that the maximum $ penalty for a given offense is, say, $150, and then you get a fine for $450!!! People working the system. That's what it's all about. :cry: If I recall, wars were started over things like this.

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Post by Jerry Seaver » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:18 pm

The logic for charging for more on the event or holiday weekends is that the people visiting those weekends are then paying for the increase in costs that are incurred. At the ISDRA a major part of the budget for the dunes is the extra law enforcement and support staff that is brought in for those event weekends. Like it or not, that is the logic anyway. I hope things don't change at the ISDRA.

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Post by SailAway » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:59 pm

The difference between Dumont and Glamis duners is constantly surprising me.

For instance regarding dumpsters. Over and over again the possibility of adding dumpsters at Dumont has been brought up. But over and over again it has been beat down.

The same was true with the fee increase. There were many public meetings and many requests for input regarding this fee increase. It was actually a user who made the suggestion that since the lion's share of the law enforcement expenses goes to certain busy weekends, then the lion's share should be collected from the users who are going to Dumont those weekends. There were many comments made along the lines of "I don't go to Dumont for the holiday weekends and I shouldn't have to pay for their law enforcement."

Would this idea fly at the ISDRA? Doubtful. But it was embraced at Dumont, at least by the members of the general duning public who were in attendance, and by the TRT representatives around the table.

So it's not just the grains of sand that are different, not just the shapes of the dunes... comparing Glamis to Dumont is like comparing apples and oranges all around, from dune community to grains of sand.

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Post by Washroad » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:52 pm

Jerry Seaver wrote:The logic for charging for more on the event or holiday weekends is that the people visiting those weekends are then paying for the increase in costs that are incurred. At the ISDRA a major part of the budget for the dunes is the extra law enforcement and support staff that is brought in for those event weekends. Like it or not, that is the logic anyway. I hope things don't change at the ISDRA.
Jerry, I know this is the "logic" they used at Dumont and apparently enough people "bought into" it. I will continue to think it's bogus.

My logic: They get money. They should be able to budget better. We, the tax-paying-public-employee-financial-suppliers, can't get away with being that inefficient in business or our homes.

How about this???? If a full-season permit is $90 and they want to charge more for holidays then give a freakin' discount for the non-holidays!

So, let's change the "full-season permit minus holidays" to say, $50, then, if you want to add the holidays it will be an additional $40 for the season.

That would be fair, both at Glamis and Dumont.
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Post by LoBuck » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:12 pm

My thoughts exactly Brian. =D>

Discount the non-holiday passes. Bump up the holiday inclusive passes. Weekly and Season.
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Post by crash » Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:41 am

How about this thought.

F the extra "tax" we are asked to pay in the form of a "season pass".

We all pay plenty of taxes already. We should get some of the benefits of those collected taxes.....instead of it going to things like helo rides for injured illegals, and bailouts of people who can't read the mortgages they are signing up for!! But I digress......

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Post by LoBuck » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:33 pm

I hear what your saying, but we'd have to get in the time machine to have that discussion again. As they say, the trains already left the station on that one.
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Post by Washroad » Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:11 am

LoBuck wrote:I hear what your saying, but we'd have to get in the time machine to have that discussion again. As they say, the trains already left the station on that one.
That's true and I'm not in the mood to start another revolution, we need one, just like the last one.
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Post by SailAway » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:27 pm

The RAC meeting was held and the proposed fee increase was approved. The Barstow BLM is feverishly working on the new passes and have assured us they will be ready for the Thanksgiving rush.

The new fee structure will be as follows:

$30 for a weekly pass for any non-holiday week
$90 for an annual pass with holiday black-out dates
$40 for a weekly pass that includes a holday
$120 for an annual pass that includes holidays

If you buy a non-holiday yearly pass at $90 and decide you want to include a holiday visit, you will be required to purchase a $10 'supplement' to your pass for each holiday appearance.
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Post by FunRunner » Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:15 pm

Reading the fee proposals and considering someone who likes a variety of places to visit, it could start to get fairly expensive. It would seem that a general off-road fee of say, $125 year, on top of vehicle reg fees, would be plenty....don't know how the powers that be would divvy that up, for costs associated to each site, but it only seems fair, that a general fee be established for visitation rights to go off-roading anywhere in CA.

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Post by Gottaride » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:30 pm

Trust me it does.

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Post by crash » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:29 pm

FunRunner wrote:Reading the fee proposals and considering someone who likes a variety of places to visit, it could start to get fairly expensive. It would seem that a general off-road fee of say, $125 year, on top of vehicle reg fees, would be plenty....don't know how the powers that be would divvy that up, for costs associated to each site, but it only seems fair, that a general fee be established for visitation rights to go off-roading anywhere in CA.
Um, they already have that.

IT"S CALLED A GREEN STICKER!!!!! :evil:

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Post by FunRunner » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:35 pm

crash wrote:
FunRunner wrote:Reading the fee proposals and considering someone who likes a variety of places to visit, it could start to get fairly expensive. It would seem that a general off-road fee of say, $125 year, on top of vehicle reg fees, would be plenty....don't know how the powers that be would divvy that up, for costs associated to each site, but it only seems fair, that a general fee be established for visitation rights to go off-roading anywhere in CA.
Um, they already have that.

IT"S CALLED A GREEN STICKER!!!!! :evil:
Of course, I know that, and feel they are sticking it to us charging a fee for each and every area; and now, special added on fees for holidays....they'll just keep piling it on, as long as they can get away with it....we get charged for every vehicle also; and every place we choose to ride....where do fees and taxation stop? Off roaders are paying a high price, too high in my opinion.... :x

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