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FRAME CHOICE

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Looking for some feedback----ONLY on these frames/cars, puh-lease

Well here goes...after calling, visiting, riding and drooling, we've narrowed it down to:

1) Funco Big 5 or New Model
2) AG Productions
3) Buckshot X-5
4) Sand Cars Unlimited
5) Raw Motorsports
6) Sand Limo

So for all of you who have an opinion, we want to throw this out there before you post:

A) Buggy will dual duty in dunes and desert
b) Driver(s) are experienced
C) Subaru 2.5L/Northstar power

So let me know your experiences and what you think, and why. No budge on engine choice, for all you GM/Honda/Mazda guys, but would like to hear about what you think about the cars.

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Edited by - desertdogs on 07/26/2002 10:00:09 AM

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I would do more research on Predator first. I have heard rumors about them closing and filing BK.



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Post by Spyder »

Try and ride in as many as you can...You will have a better handle on what they can actually do as compared to what is hyped about what they can do!

Just because it sits high off the ground doesn't mean it has all the travel or characteristcs you want in a long travel.

I would lean more toward the Funco...the new one looks cool too. It also has the years of experince behind it versus some of the fly-by-night builders.

You might want to check out Sand Limo also, just a thought

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Post by RX 4 INSANDITY »

You have selected some really good looking cars. I would seggest that you look at the AlumiCraft cars out of El Cajon, CA, as well. Part of a satisfing experience is the quality of the people that you work with. They don't come any better than John Cooley, the mastermind behind the AlumaCraft cars. These cars really work and are the direct result of offraod racing experience. I don't think you will find anyone that has bad to say about their experience with John and AlumaCraft. Just my opinion.

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Post by DesertDogs »

****, you're right. I complety forgot about Sand Limo when typing.

Do like the Funco, and acknowledge the years. We 're trying to go up there to talk to Grant and see the new car.



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Post by Rick Bowen »

After shopping around in the late spring, I decieded to go with a Funco frame. I'm just about to take delievery of my SSE frame (another week or two). Grant has been a pleasure to work with and is very helpful. Don't buy anyone's frame until you have a chat with him.


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Post by KingGlamis »

Hey Rick, congrats on the purchase! Are you going to have it ready by Halloween?
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That's a mighty fine lookin' sand toy ya got there....

Do ya dune it?

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quote:We 're trying to go up there to talk to Grant and see the new car.

Of course you'll be stopping by our place, right? We have that rolling hotel ready and waiting for company

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Post by Rick Bowen »

Doug,
Frame is getting painted now. Pick up the frame and all the other goodies by 8/23. Buying it in kit form, so I will be doing the assembly. Engine (Toyota Camry 3.0 liter V6, supercharged; expect 350-375hp) is being rebuilt now. Once I get the frame "rolling" on wheels, the engine builder will need it for a couple of weeks for wiring. If all goes to plan (ask Grant; I do have a Project Plan), should be ready to dune by the first week in October.

For the first time in my life I will have a 4 seat buggy that can carry 4 adults.

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Edited by - rick bowen on 07/25/2002 8:44:43 PM

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Post by livewire »

DD, There is a pretty nice looking rail on ebaymotors right now. Just type in sandrail in the search line. 2001 playtech 2800 fat,
king coilover long travel. Wounder what the reserve is? good luck mark.

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Post by DesertDogs »

Folks..thanks for the input, but I'm looking ONLY for feedback on the frames/cars listed in the first post.

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quote:Vicki,Yes I will let you have a ride!

woooooo hoooooo!



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Post by Radrat »

FUNCO..

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Post by Kevin »

well here my input, my thoughtsa are the funco big 5, not into the styling of it, it sdoes handle awsome with the subaru, i dont know about a northstar in one though. the buckshots are well built and can handle alot of abuse, im sure youve seen andrew jump the olds double. that car the only motor choice in my book is the LS1 or the northstar. sand limo is a car i am currently considering building myself since he has reasonable prices on frames(beam car). sand cars unmtd, they look to rear end heavy to me, all i have ever seen them do is wheelie everywhere. the other 2 i havent really seen or heard anything about em. i have seen raw in sand sport, it looks like a scu to me. if money were no object to me i would be considering a buckshot, the new funco, or a alumicraft al with a LS1 motor. i have a buddy that works for gm and he told me to stay away from the used northhhhhhstars, casue most of the time they are junk. they are essentially a throw away motor. just my opinion.

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i have a buddy that works for gm and he told me to stay away from the used northhhhhhstars, casue most of the time they are junk. they are essentially a throw away motor. just my opinion.

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Careful now, if you pick enough of them outa the trash you can put together a free motor

Cadi replaces the motors for some vary minor or fixable problems.

As for which frame, which one would you want to be in when you land on the roof? A lot of cars go a long way from the front pillar to the next ("B") pillar. Most of the car makers that have been building cars for a few decades put the "B" pillar behind the front seat unlike the cars that put it over the trans/back seat area. Of the cars on your list that I know of, I would go with the Funco, sorry Buckshot, SCU and many more not on the list.

Edited by - sandpsycho on 07/28/2002 9:29:26 PM

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Post by Kevin »

i have seen those other cars with and without the b pillar right behind the front seat, i agree though. id rather have it where it will actually keep the top tubes from bending towards my head the way in the back just for sleaker looks. its easy to add it if you want it too.

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Post by Buckshot »

Sandpsycho
Take a closer look and you will see all of my cars have the b pillar directly behind the drivers head.


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Take a closer look and you will see all of my cars have the b pillar directly behind the drivers head.


Andrew Buck


I did and the car I was looking at don't have no B piller behind the driver. Then I was flipping through the July/August issue of Sand Sport and was looking at your car flying through the air (that is your car with the big X 5 painted on the floor pan,(way cool use of add space)) and yes there realy is a B pillar behind the drivers head of that car. So whats up with the Blue car on the cover of Sand Sport Feb/Mar? Do you offer two types of frames? One for ground transportation and one for reentry into earths atmosphere?

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Post by jhitesma »

I'm sure Andrew will chime with the full story but...

I heard that the blue/white care on the cover of sandsports was the first one he built. It was the one that had the bare aluminum side panels with X5 that he originally jumped the double in - then it got a paint job and a new owner.

So if it really was the first one maybe moving the B pillar up was one of the things he decided to change in the final design.


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Post by SANDRUNNER »

I ordered my frame from Sandlimo out of Tempe Arizona. The Long travel A arm Coupe frame.
I wanted a 4 seater but most of them are 15 ft. long. I've only got room for 13 1/2 ft. The coupe is 13 ft. and has room for a small bench in the back.
The frame sells for $6050.00. Mr.Joe fab the owner is real cool to deal with.
I would visit all the shops. And if you can take a ride in them.
I went to most of them.
My opinion SANDLIMO..

longtravel1

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Good choice,i have had no problems with mine. Had it for two years now

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Post by jefbe »

My exp. with sand limo was great! Ihave the
the A-Arm coupe too very happy with the car.
Let me tell you about there cust. service.
2 weeks ago i took my car in to get the
rear cage welded the next day pat from sandlimo calls (I'm asuming my car is done)
he is downtown mesa and see my motorhome
in front of my work and tell me my brake
lites are on and my car will be done the nextday. GOOD people at sandlimo exp pat

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Ya pats is one hell of a P.R. guy.
I need a service righter like that.

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Post by jm102397 »

Competition Engineering obviously made the wrong choice in letting Pat get away-any shop would be lucky to have him!
And Pat-when you and Bob coming over for those mudslides??

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Post by buckeye »

dustin dumas at AG PRODUCTIONS is a great guy.He builds a sweet car and no one better to deal with.Treats everyone the same no matter the size of your wallet.Iwould go no where else.

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Post by GLAMISOUTBACK »

Buckeye, is that you Kelly?

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