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Opinion's on Safety…what do you think?

Olds Hill:
Never stop at the top, one year a friend [long time duner] stopped at the top to check the action. [After he had made a pass up Olds]
A quad came out of NO where and T-Boned him just in front of his steering wheel, between front wheels and his hands [he was going from right to left at top of Olds]. One foot further he might have been dead.
The guy on the Banshee thrown off his quad [his quad flew over friends low slung rail], fearing issue, jumped up, de-sanded himself off and kick started it and took off.
My friend, back at camp said: "I am so lucky, I could have been dead, it was totally MY Fault, I was an idiot!".

Never drive cross hill; go up and down never across. I have seen a few close calls with idiots doing wheelies across the face of Olds.

Go down Olds, from the top, way far left or far right [looking at Olds]; more safe to enter the Olds pit area, from 1/2 mile either side.

If you must race up Olds, slow at top, is that too much to ask? Look out for the idiots [see above] stopped.
If you have just raced up and made the turn to go down, NEVER stop, swing wide and keep going down.
Look, look, look out for all.

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TAKING A BREAK...
Now, when taking a break in the middle of the dunes, stop on the top of the bowl. Stop two or three wide only, all staying in single file. So when you leave you can all fall back in line. My wife sometimes goes on potty breaks when we have stopped at the crest of a dune. She leaves, the same way we were going, and comes back behind us back in line. This way, if any one is standing around the person standing or sitting can see a rail coming from any direction, as common sense as this sounds, 25% of duners do no do this.
NEVER stop at the bottom of a bowl. If someone in your group has broke down at the bottom, leave a rail or quad at the top for YOUR protection. If you leave your group to play while others stop, re-enter the single line you were in on the ride, the same angle you left it from be hind.

One time, I crested a dune on a ride, with just two rails behind me. Flopping into a bowl, there was a group of 5 or 6 rails and a couple of quads, all just drinking and relaxing at the bottom of that bowl. That group was MAD :evil: because I had come so close to them, the fact was, they just should not have been there. Close calls happen, lesson your odds of that happening! Take your rest stops where you can see 360 degrees.
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Stay off Sand Highway when at all possible. More duners = a higher chance of getting hit. Lesson your odds.
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Night Rides:
One year at Comp Hill at night, I went to leave straight away from Comp's face, towards Vender Row. As soon as I crested the last dune where some one was watching the action [way in the back] I had to cut the turning brake gas it and use my best evasive driving skills. Luckily for the two girls squatting at the bottom of the bowl peeing, I didn't hit them. At least they had their pants down if I scared the **** out of them. It scared the *&%$# out of me. Ladies, don't be bashful, if ya gotta go, just go, in a safe place next to a truck or rail.

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In the Dunes:
Do not dune in different angles than your friends are going. Try to follow in a single file on a busy weekend. If you get separated from your group, it will be easier to back track and find you. Also, the leader is the leader because he has leadership qualities. Stay in his tracks if you can, or find someone else to follow. Never go on a ride, no matter how short, by yourself.

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Witches Eyes:
Now if you really want to know how to never hit a "Witches Eye", here is how. Run the valley's between the tops of the hills. Cross the hills only when you must, people keep talking about how the ruts are everywhere this time of year at Glamis [at the top of the bowls], stay away from the ruts it's easy… Turn your quad/rail. Left right left right. Do not dune a straight line, up and over, up and over. Turn left and right. Most Witches Eyes are formed at the top edge of the dune, opposite side of the slip face on the slightly down slope. Stay on the soft slip face… Don't attack the dunes, flow with the dunes from slip face to slip face.
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BE SAFE!
And MOST of all be safe. Always be aware of your surroundings. Keep your whip and whip light working. Have at least four working lights [on rails and two on quads] if you dune at night. Never dune faster than you feel safe. Listen to that little voice in your head that tells you to slow down. There are many Newbies in the dunes this year, they must learn, be careful of them until they do. Be careful of them after they learn.
If you think you "Know it All", you don't!

Expect the unexpected, it will happen! That my dune friends, is what makes it fun.

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Not too shabby, Steve...but how does one inject some brains into the idiots on quads that decide to hit the hill 10 wide when people are descending? How do you stop the morons with fast(?) rails that just have to go cross face because straight up is just too short for their "hot rod"? Who goes up and explains to the idiots that park right at the top of the right side of Olds where the faster guys race that they are in danger of being run over? What about the idiot in the LT buggie that comes down the hill and jumps the berm right towards the crowd at the base of the hill because he thinks his peepee is as big as Robbie Gordon's?
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Post by Papa Perry »

Well put Steve.

I may print that out and hand it to people I meet in the dunes.

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Post by Glamisbound »

What about the idiot in the LT buggie that comes down the hill and jumps the berm right towards the crowd at the base of the hill because he thinks his peepee is as big as Robbie Gordon's?
I saw a guy doing this a couple weeks ago. He was also jumping the berm back into the hill as he raced up it in his 600 HP LT Buggy. I was so pissed at how dangerous this guy was, I flagged him down and "EXPLAINED" how dagerous he was being.

Turns out he is relatively new to duning (2nd season). This is the first "rail" he's ever had and he didn't even have a clue as to how dangerous he was driving. He actually listened to what I had to say and thanked me for it.

Another thing...more crowds, faster cars, and less skilled drivers only equalls more trouble. Make sure your head is on a pivot, because you've got to watch your back...much more than you ever had to before!!!! :cry:
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Post by Cathi »

CELL PHONES/ GPS/ YOUR DRIVERS LIC or Id/ : A MUST!!

Verizon worked for me.. straight out pad 2.. mile and a half out in the big bowls.

1/2 mile out from Osborne. At a very very crucial time.
Had 911 the second I turned my phone on.

Always have 2 cell phones with you. Best thing I ever did.
I have Verizon.. others had AT&T. Also batteries charged on all phones and the GPS working as well.

As you pack the cooler.. pack the phones/check batteries on gps!
Best thing you could ever ever do.

Experienced.

Even when you are safe.. been in the dunes for 30+ years - raced MX and Offroad, taught safety classes to the kids, ACCIDENTs do happen.

Keep the third eye open and a head count on your group everywhere, at Olds, Drags, Dune Breaks, Comp, watching mx guys jump along hills, from camp when your kids lil ones, are riding quads on tracks.

Before you "Start Your Engines".. DRIVERs make that effort on knowing where all the group is. Even a quick potty break, a quick roll down a dune, a child playing in the shade behind a car, can be deadly. At camp loading your cars in trailers.

Man.. I could go on and on.

Anyone else?? Wanna add too...
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Cathi wrote:
Anyone else?? Wanna add too...
PLEASE DO!

All great things Cathi points out...

See you in the dunes.

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Steve,
Thanks for the tips.
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Post by Mr Big Wrench »

Steve:
Excellent advice :wink:
My theory has always been, "Drive/Ride within your ability", works for Me.
I have added one more item to My list, Look out for the other guy, not only the other guys in your group, but the other guys not in your group who may not know the safest way to dune.
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Steve, I'm making this 'sticky' for a while. It's good info and since this is the start of the season let's get as much info out there as possible.

Don't forget to get some copies of the Safe Duning Brochure and hand them out. A lot of hard work went into it and it's packed with good information. Just about every dune-oriented business has a stock, and if you want a box to hand out just email:

SDBReorder@americansandassociation.org


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This is some great information. I would like to add that safety in and around the camp areas are as important as in the dunes. Often times I see people driving through the camp areas at a high rate of speed with no consideration that there are kids, pets, and many times beginner riders just learning where the throttle and brake levers are. The speed limit in the vicinity of the camp area is 15 MPH. High speed runs should be done at the Sand Drags not through the camp area.

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SandCrew1 wrote: Often times I see people driving through the camp areas at a high rate of speed with no consideration that there are kids, pets, and many times beginner riders just learning where the throttle and brake levers are. The speed limit in the vicinity of the camp area is 15 MPH. SandCrew


Along Gecko Road Campers

People speed, so be careful...
Remember as you go at a 90 degree angle from your camp to drive to Olds/Comp/Vendors/Etc...
YOU will be crossing a Sand Highway. Please watch your entry and leave from your camp.
DANGER-DANGER-DANGER
Cross traffic ahead.
Especially at 3pm this Sand Highway becomes busy with the afternoon rush to get north to the Sand Drags.

A year ago a guy in a New Buckshot X-5 was in an accident going to/from the dunes and the drags. 200 yards from Gecko Road.

Be Careful.

This TG weekend, if you normally dune 50 mph, slow to 40, you'll have a 20% increase in reaction time, and with 200% more people, it could save you.

Over the TG week, we always dune a couple of clicks slower, in the crowded parts of the dunes.
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Don't on TG weekend:

Don't travel on Sand Highway

If you must go to the "Drags" go to the front part [starting area] where speeds will be slower.

Do Have fun, be safe.

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ggorman wrote:Steve, I'm making this 'sticky' for a while. It's good info and since this is the start of the season let's get as much info out there as possible.
I added the original post as an article to the Dunie Newbie Info section on the main ASA web site.
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I once heard and old man say that all buggy duners should first learn how to drive a 1600cc stock beam buggy for a season or tw0 before they get into these big lt cars. Much like the guy jumping at the bottom of Olds these guys have money and buy a 50000 lt car that the car does much of the work for you and often times throw the safety of others out the window to look cool. The mentality is hit the gas and go.

In all of my years of going to Glamis the most unsafe driver I have seen is R Gordon himself, so if the guys are trying to copy him thet are doing a good job.

Bottom line in duning you have to watch out for you and your group when riding becuase if you dont some jackhole will clobber you.

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Post by Tom Simrak »

This from Glamisdunes.com

Right now there is a strong desire in our community to not only try to understand the tragic incidents we've had in the dunes since the beginning of the season, but to learn from them and do better for ourselves and our families.

Many really great ideas have been brought up and the general consensus is that it's time to really get serious.

A "duneside" meeting has been arranged for the Saturday after Thanksgiving. We'll meet at Pair-A-Dice at 9:00 am and stay until we've said all there is to say.

We'll be talking about lots of things...

Duner-to-duner safety outreach
Voluntary safety courses
Memorial for the fallen duner
Kid safety

This is not a DUNERS thing. This is an ISDRA thing, a safety thing, a duner thing.

There have been some really great ideas floating around... let's not lose the momentum.
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Post by Rooster »

Many years ago, probably 12 or 13, I was racing Comp at night on my Banshee with the rest of the yahoo's. Our group was about ready to head back to camp so I made one last pass up of the hill. Famous last words! I turned around at the top and about half way down some jerk in an Odyssey was blasting across the hill sideways. He came out of nowhere and I was on the brakes but it was too late. I hit his right rear tire so hard it spun him around (I was told).

Of course, I flew off the bike, but my survival instinct took over and my death grip on the bars actually bent them forward as I went over. Lots of other damage to the bike (blow tire, bent wheel, trashed front bumper, broken headlight, etc, etc). I pulled a groin muscle bad enough that I literally had to crawl on my hand and knees for a few days because I could not walk. However, to this day I still am paying the price in my left wrist. I had jammed it hard enough against the bars that I compressed the joint and still feel the pain in it. The range of movement will likely never be the same.

The jackhole was drunk, on a borrowed toy, on his first ride, at night. After he figured out that he was just hit he fired up the car and got it down to the bottom of the hill and then bailed out and ran. Not knowing if I was alive or dead at the time! Of course, my friends, who saw the whole thing happen ran him down and brought him back to the scene. Nice guy, huh?

Several morals to the story:

a) Never ride/drive across the face of the hills (Comp & Olds).
b) Never loan out a toy to an inexperienced rider/driver.
c) Never ride/drive drunk.

I am not claiming that I never have had a couple beers when we’re out riding, as I’m sure lots of people do, but this guy was lit.

The guy never offered to help, or to pay for the damages, but if it were an honest accident I wouldn’t have taken it. There were however several people there that helped me out but I never got their names. If you are one of those who did – THANK YOU!

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Rooster wrote:... so I made one last pass up of the hill. Famous last words!
I hear that. Most of the crashes I had on my 3-wheelers happened after saying, "I'm going to take one last run before I load up". It got to the point that my wife told me to quit saying that and just go. [-o<
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my first Glamis crash ever was this year loading the bike in the truck halloween now talk about a bad last run!
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