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Marines Release New Alternative 6 for Twentynine Palms JV

Post by tomjeeps2 » Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:12 am

For Press Release and Map go to: http://pfjv.org/

The Partnership For Johnson Valley will issue a statement on the latest revision "6" after it's review of the new map.

In a brief statement, Chairman Harry Baker said that he is disappointed to see that none of the area to the east of the base was included, and again, it is the recreation lands and those lands that border the communities that are targeted.

[Brief Description of new proposed Alternative 6]

Proposed 29Palms Training Land/Airspace Acquisition Project
Project Description Paper Number 5 – November 2009
Alternative 6 (West/South)
About 140,000 acres west/19,000 acres south
Maneuver would start from the east on the
current MCAGCC base and the south
study area, and the MEB battalions would
converge on an objective in the west study
area.

No dud-producing ordnance use in 40,000
acres in the south of the west
study area; this 40,000 acres would be open
for public use when MEB training not
required.

About The Partnership for Johnson Valley: The leadership of the Partnership For Johnson Valley has been cooperatively working with the military and the affected Stakeholders in an effort to explore alternatives to the proposed land expansion. The PFJV is a division of the 501(c)3 California Trail Users Coalition. The Mission of the Partnership is to unite the many people who enjoy the diverse activities available in the multiple-use open access area of Johnson Valley. The Partnership’s charter is to promote responsible recreation and the use of desert resources through conservation and education. The goal of the Partnership is to ensure public open-access to the area in the present, and for future generations who Live, Work, and Recreate in Johnson Valley. For more information and updates, please visit http://www.PFJV.org
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Re: Marines Release New Alternative 6 for Twentynine Palms JV

Post by tomjeeps2 » Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:40 am

For the record when you say "Marines" these are the king of people I think of, I'm just having a hard time dealing with the thought our Marines would do this to us...TJ :(

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Re: Marines Release New Alternative 6 for Twentynine Palms JV

Post by Astro » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:49 am

I can't get enough detail from these maps on my computer to tell :? , but wasn't there an area of previous military training use that ended up in a Wilderness Area :shock: . That area should be used before taking away more land since it has been used for training before & never should have qualified as Wilderness [-X .

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Re: Marines Release New Alternative 6 for Twentynine Palms JV

Post by tomjeeps2 » Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:18 pm

From all levels of the Core I'm trying to figure out what the malfunction here is, I lived in Irvine for three decades between two Marine base installations, over this time they have always been good neighbors what's going on at JV is not the Marine Corps I know...TJ
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Re: Marines Release New Alternative 6 for Twentynine Palms JV

Post by tomjeeps2 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:39 am

Ever since an OHV leadership meeting about three weeks ago, I've wondered how our comments to this proposed withdraw/segregation Notice in the Federal Register will be utilized. We had some discussion on this and I was not too comfortable with the answers.

I since had a discussion with Roxie Trost - BLM Field Office Manager about what we are commenting to under 43 CFR 2310.3-1 (Regulations BLM is operating under) and even she was not clear about what BLM is to do with the comments provided for in Section (2)(v). I don't blame Roxie, this is a very rare regulation for any BLM official to fully understand.

Today, I called both the State Office and BLM in Washington DC (I have some excellent contacts in both) and talked with higher-up's and was finally given the answer.

The comments BLM is requesting are for a couple of purposes. First, it allows BLM and the Department of the Navy (USMC) to find all potential affected stateholders in this process and allow these stakeholders to participate in the upcoming NEPA public process.

Second, I was told today that the letters become part of the official record and the letters are essentially put into a box until the Secretary of the Interior makes his/her recommendation to Congress about the withdraw - in about two years from now.

There is two processes that are happening at much the same time. One is the Application the Marines have submitted, and the other is the NEPA process. At the end of the process(s), the Secretary then makes the recommendation (yes or no) to Congress for them to make the ultimate decision.

I was told today that BLM is looking for substantive comments rather than a volume of letters in support or opposed. The letter generator some have used can be a fine way of submitting one's comments, but they need to provide substantive information rather than the idea of "we don't like this because it affects our riding area".

So when you are writing your comments, please keep in mind that this is not some sort of voting process but rather an opportunity to submit tangable information that the Secretary of the Interior, through BLM, needs to consider in the Secretary ultimate decison.
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"Secretary of the Interior makes his/her recommendation to Congress about the withdraw", finally found this old post perhaps we should contact this person directly, because this "process' is just not working...TJ
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Re: Marines Release New Alternative 6 for Twentynine Palms JV

Post by jhitesma » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:43 am

Tom, can you cite a source for the quote in your previous post?

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Re: Marines Release New Alternative 6 for Twentynine Palms JV

Post by tomjeeps2 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:53 am

The Country is ran by the few that show up.
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