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Buckeye Police Dept. needs info

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The Buckeye, AZ Police Dept. is in need of some info.
They are looking for someone to give a presentation to local
K-8 children on ATV/DUNE safety.
Person would need props (Quad & Dirt Bike),
proper riding/safety gear, handouts, .... etc.

Please contact me via this board or email to:

frog4@cox.net

Thank you ....

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so much for the ASA stepping up to the plate! :evil:

too bad that DUNERS stepped up and took it on!

I'm loosing FAITH in this ORG...! It may be time for me
to send my MONEY $$$ else where! :evil:

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so much for the ASA stepping up to the plate!

too bad that DUNERS stepped up and took it on!

I'm loosing FAITH in this ORG...! It may be time for me
to send my MONEY $$$ else where!
Instead of posting on the Bulletin Board - maybe you should suggest that the Buckeye, AZ Police Department contact the ASA directly. The ASA has several committee's that might be able to help. Some of us volunteers are tapped out on our spare time. There are also upcomming events that are taking up a lot of the "volunteers"...... Don't cut the ASA short because no one has stepped up.....

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Post by jm102397 »

You might want to also look at the fact that DUNERS themselves have said the orgs serve many different purposes and that their agenda is much different than the ASA. So while they are doing safety classes the ASA is working hard EVERY DAY to keep the dunes open so there will be some place to put those safety classes to use! I'm not saying one is any more important than the other (though IMHO there is a distinct difference between the two and the resources required to be successful :roll: ) but we all have to make our choices as to what is most important in the whole big grand scheme of things :!:
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Please don't get me wrong here! It isn't about turning this into
an ASA vs. Duners issue!

The ASA could have turned this into something good. They
could have reached out to ISDRA users in the State of Arizona.

I have talked with many sand related business owners here
in Phoenix, and I'm sad to say this, but the ASA is NOT
setting a fine example here! Owners and Managers are
logging complaints about "no show" for appointments,
broken promises, and the like!

I think it's about time the ASA stepped up their efforts here
in Arizona! Your loosing face here!

I do my best to get the word out about the ASA and the BRC!
I talk to everyone I meet about sand related issues,
and back the ASA and the BRC financially!

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See below...
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Still one more down....what is up with the board :?:
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frog wrote:so much for the ASA stepping up to the plate! :evil:

too bad that DUNERS stepped up and took it on!

I'm loosing FAITH in this ORG...! It may be time for me
to send my MONEY $$$ else where! :evil:
Looks like YOU were the one trying to make it an ASA VS. DUNERS thing :roll: And if DUNERS stepped up, how is it "too bad"?? If the info is getting out there, does it really matter if the ASA or DUNERS is the one presenting it??

Not only that but YOU are also the one saying maybe it's time to pull your support since the ASA didn't step up on this one issue-an issue that again, is not really something this org. has the TIME or volunteers to do as they are concentrating on a bigger fight here!

No idea who might be "missing appts., breaking promises, etc" but if you are encountering these types of complaints, get a name from the person telling you and drop a note or a call to the BOD and let them know. Might find out there is another side to the story or you may even find out that they have NO CLUE who you are speaking of-it could be someone just like you who isn't an actual "representative" of the ASA but is just going in the shops trying to get the word out-it has been an issue numerous times in the past.


And the whole "reaching out to AZ dune users"-we have done 10 fold here in AZ (mostly through the shops) what has been done in CA-again it comes down to limitations on an all VOLUNTEER staff's time and resources (mostly time, time and time!) If I'm not mistaken there are numerous AZ positions open at the ASA-step up and fill one, spend all YOUR extra time working it (to the exclusion of your family, your Glamis trips, your softball league, etc) and then come back and complain after you've walked in the ASA's shoes. I can guarantee you'll have a different view of things :shock:
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Post by frog »

:roll: apparently you failed to read my last post! I'm not
officially on the ASA "volunteer" roster, but I frequent
enough gatherings and businesses and spread the
word about the ASA that "I have walked in your shoes"!

And doing this while being a father to 5 kids! Playing
soccer dad, violin dad, girl scout dad, karate dad and
sand dune dad!

Don't patronize me! Walk in my shoes! You came off
with the attitude! No ONE responded to this post
until I became frustrated! ...

And as for the "Bigger Fight". SHOW ME RESULTS!
OUR DUNES ARE STILL CLOSED! WE ARE STILL GETTING HASSLED
BY LEO'S! COMP IS STILL CLOSED AFTER DARK!

BIGGER FIGHT MY *****! GET BUSY! IF YOU HAVE TIME TO BE ON
THIS BOARD POSTING, THEN YOU HAVE TIME TO WRITE LETTERS
TO OUR CONGRESSIONAL STAFF!

AND, I'M NOT A MEMBER OF DUNERS! THEY JUST HAPPENED
TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE!

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Post by frog »

I will start getting names and #'s from people I
speak with. Maybe then someone will get off their
arse and get something done if I throw it back in
your lap! Doing your volunteer job!

Here's one:

The Manager states that an "ASA rep" used to come
by and drop off info and flyers all the time, but
hasn't seen him in "months"!

Cycle Gear #16
13220 N. Cave Creek Road,
Phoenix, AZ
(602) 971-1630
Store Hours: Mon-Thu 9-7, Fri 9-8, Sat 9-6, Sun 10-5

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Nope-read it, comprehended it and addressed every issue you brought up. On the other hand, you keep skipping over answering my questions and have decided to "blow up".
If you can not read through this unbiasedly maybe you should have someone else read through it and tell you if they feel it was you or I who tried to make it an ASA vs DUNERS thing. Simply tried to point out to you that the two orgs concentrate on different things, and that has been stated by DUNERS Pres. herself. You tell me where I said even ONE "anti-DUNERS" statement anyway? I said we concentrate on different things and what's the difference if it is Duners or the ASA that does this as long as the info got out? Never answered that one either or why it is "too bad DUNERS stepped up" :?:
I'm sorry you can't see that the fight we have taken on here is not one that will be won overnight-through no fault of our own but because of the way the legal system works. You aren't looking at the advances that have been made and the fact that this will be a long fight with both wins and losses, but at least the ASA keeps trying.

Your second post is almost incomprehensible-"throw it back in your lap! Doing your volunteer job". Who are you referring to? The ASA as a whole?
And "ASA rep" is very subjective-I'm sure if you are going out to shops and talking about the ASA there are people who now consider YOU their "ASA Rep", so if you stop doing it what's the ASA supposed to do? Fire you? And you obviously didn't catch what I was saying about doing ASA work to the exclusion of the rest of your life-going to an ASA meeting is just a bit different then working for MONTHS to get a shop to hold a meeting, setting up vendors, designing a mailer for it, getting the printing of said mailing done, compiling a mailing list of hundreds of people to mail, printing out address labels and stuffing envelopes, arranging raffle prizes, food, speakers, equipment, chairs, volunteers to work the tables, compiling an agenda, printing and compiling handouts for the meeting and, FINALLY , attending the meeting. Not even ONE paid staff member to do any of this in the ASA and this is for just one small event-let's not even go into all the legal work, the SSSS, the fundraising, the safety brochure, the merchandise, the trailer, the newsletter, the website, the business sponsor program, compiling a database, trying to start a phone tree, attending gov't meetings etc, etc, etc...but "hey, you've gone to meetings and talked to some shops so you know what it's like" :roll: There is a small, small group of people who get all this done-sorry if no one stepped up to handle yet another project :!:
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And doing this while being a father to 5 kids! Playing
soccer dad, violin dad, girl scout dad, karate dad and
sand dune dad!

Don't patronize me! Walk in my shoes! You came off
with the attitude! No ONE responded to this post
until I became frustrated! ...
I am doing this - as a Grandma who also has a full time job! Plus I have many other obstacles in my life - and I volunteer! I have several 1000 checkered bags at my house that need to be stuff - for the Thanksgiving weekend.....next weekend i'm volunteering with the Poker Run - a "fundraiser"...... Please - sign up to volunteer! If I can - anyone can!

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