March 2009 BLM RAMP Alternative Proposals

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March 2009 BLM RAMP Alternative Proposals

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Here is the link to the 7 different alternantive proposals for the new RAMP that the BLM has listed on their web site. Appears to be just the different alternantives to the area that should stay open or be closed for the PMV in the ISDRA.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro ... dramp.html

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Re: March 2009 BLM RAMP Alternative Proposals

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I like Alternantive Number 1.

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Re: March 2009 BLM RAMP Alternative Proposals

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Definately # 1.........

Who the heck came up with the rediculous # 2 and 3....... those have more closure than what we have now!
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The BLM is required to have alternatives that cover both extremes, from full closer to everything open. We will be able to give the BLM our comments on what we think would be the best alternative, along with why it should be considered the best alternative. Or we can comment on something totally different but as you can see the Critical Habitat is something that has to be considered by the BLM in picking a preferred Alternative.

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Below is a link of a flowchart of how the RAMP process is to proceed.


http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/ ... wchart.pdf

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Re: March 2009 BLM RAMP Alternative Proposals

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Mr. Seaver, I know yours and others contribution to saving the dunes has been invaluable to those of us who have done little or nothing to speak out or get involved (myself included). My question to you as well as the ASA is this: Will it take 30,000 + or - current members of the ASA as well as the entire duning community to step up and voice are opinions (verbal or in writing) to the BLM so that we can get the Alternative 1 (or whichever is in our best interest)(sorry I know that sounds selfish) or will our opinions fall on deaf ears and be decided by the courts and attorneys?

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Re: March 2009 BLM RAMP Alternative Proposals

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While I drean of Alternative 1 I think 7 would be more realistic. The enviros will never let go of the current TEMPORARY closures as they feel this is the only option. It will be a continued battle to say the least. What chaps my hide is that the mystry weed is still thriving even in open areas. :evil: :evil:

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Re: March 2009 BLM RAMP Alternative Proposals

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Where they are at in the RAMP process right now if you look on the flow chart is they have, identified Aternative Themes. To answer your question about how many comments we need sent in to get the Alternative we want, in the past, technically it isn't how many comments are sent in because the BLM puts each like comment in a pile and has to answer each comment that deals with the different subjects. Supposely numbers don't matter but valid justification of the comment has more weight. Numbers, I think unofficially does have a influence though. The ASA is actively seeking the information on how the BLM is going to approach the comments and all aspects of the RAMP. Seeing how the PMV critical habitat is used in the alternatives that probably have the best chance of being named as the preferred alternative, you have to give credit to everyone who sent a comment in on the critical habitat that helped keep it at a min.

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Re: March 2009 BLM RAMP Alternative Proposals

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I plan on attending the meeting even though thats my B-day and a work day!!!

As OHV enthusiasts, we need to show we are interested and involved.

Will the ASA help us, who are less informed, with writing comments by suggesting which points to cover to get the best reasonable alternative?
(The above statement is my own opinion and not that of the ASA's.)

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Yes, the ASA will be posting some suggestions before these meetings take place.

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I totally misread this. It is the notice for for the meetings they had in 2008. There is no meeting coming up in Apr.

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no go on #2, #3, & #6
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Re: March 2009 BLM RAMP Alternative Proposals

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Has there been any new information or updates? It's been awhile with no new updates. Is the BLM changing their views to accomodate the new administration?

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There may be some information on the RAMP next week after this meeting, #8 on the agenda is the RAMP. This meeting is open to the public and I will be there. The ISDRA DAC SUB GROUP is what replaced the ISDRA TRT but works similar.

Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area (ISDRA) Desert Advisory Council (DAC) Sub-Group (DSG) meeting scheduled for January 28th at the BLM El Centro Field office,

ISDRA DAC Sub Group (DSG)
Agenda
January 28, 2010 9:00 am

1. Introduce all members of DSG
2. Introduce Guests
3. Review and approve previous meeting minutes
4. Public comment period
5. Review member terms
6. Review DSG meeting notification methods
7. BLM El Centro Field Office Reports
· Review ISDRA budget information
· Report on recreation area status
· Report on results from new vehicle counters
· Review details of new trash contract
· Ogliby road status
· Review ISDRA Data
i. Medical responses
ii. Law Enforcement activity
1. Review results of 12/17/09 meeting on LEO activity
· Other items of interest
8. Status of ISDRA RAMP
9. Mesquite Regional Landfill update– Michelle Ochs
10. ISCO report
· citations
· unlawful assembly
11. Food vendors having to take their equipment to town each week
· Is there anything the BLM can do to mitigate this requirement
12. Special Recreation Fee collection east of the railroad tracks
13. Boardmanville access
14. North Gila-Imperial Valley #2 Transmission Project
· Construction impacts on the ISDRA
· Operational impacts on the ISDRA
· Construction Schedule
15. Percent of fee dollars used to collect fees
· Discuss alternative collection strategies
16. Review proposed tasks and issues
· Alternate method of fee collection
· Status of new supplemental rules
· Review current ISDRA rules
· PMV Monitoring plans
Schedule next meeting

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