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BHenry wrote: I just completed the ATV Safety Institute Basic course. According to the instructor, there is a law requiring at least one rider in each group to have taken the course, and received their certificate. He also said that law enforcement has been giving warnings the last two years and that this year, they will begin enforcing it (I haven't seen any such actions yet). Could you check with BLM on what they are doing about this? I'm not sure if it was a California law (probably is).
I'm not sure if I am reading this correctly. Are you saying that your instructor is saying that at least one rider in each group of riders must take this course and that there is a law saying so?
I find this ectremely difficult to believe.
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Voice wrote:I'm not sure if I am reading this correctly. Are you saying that your instructor is saying that at least one rider in each group of riders must take this course and that there is a law saying so?
I find this ectremely difficult to believe.
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When operating an ATV on public land, California state law currently requires that all ATV riders under 18 years of age must possess an ATV Safety Certificate or be supervised by an adult possessing the Certificate. All ATV riders under the age of 14 must be supervised by an adult.

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When I took the course I was told that too. Someone in each group (an adult) with a cert. can supervise kids under 14 that don't have a certificate.
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That was my understanding as well: If there's a kid in the group, one of the adults (or the kids themselves) must have taken the course. Most ATV manufacturers offer the course for free when you buy an ATV (I took it through Honda at their Colton facility).

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I took the course about 20 years ago (not kidding) and still have the certificate. The course didn't even use an OHV - just a classroom situation mostly about the environment and very little about how to actually ride.

The question I have is my certificate still valid?
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I did some more digging into the CVC, and I couldn't find anything about adults needing to be certified. I asked Glenn to check into that at the next TRT meeting in respect to the ISDRA.

Unless someone finds an update that I didn't find, its CVC 38500 that covers certification, requiring those under 18 to a) be supervised by a certified adult or b) be in, or have completed a certification course and 38504 which is that anyone under 14 must be supervised by a certified adult
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The question I have is my certificate still valid?
Yes Vince, you are still valid. It never expires.
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Well, when I purchassed my new Suzuki not only was this course offered but I was given a $100 voucher that was redeemable after I took the course! Sounds like a killer idea, huh? Except for two facts...

One: I'm certain that $100 was tacked on to the cost of my quad!
Two: It is impossible to take the course anywhere in San Diego!

So, I'm out the $100, I don't get to take this micky mouse course.
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Why is there such a shortage of classes - no instructors? Does it not pay well?
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I called and tried to get the course for my daughter over a year ago. I was supposedly put on some type of waiting list. Never heard from anybody again. What a joke this whole thing is.
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The course is extremely popular, although I asked if they were looking for instructors, and was told not in this area. Apparently a big issue in administering the classes is in having a suitable location. I took mine at Azusa canyon. And it did take several months before it worked out for me to go. If they haven't called (they were actually good about calling with the schedule), I would call them back, and find out whats going on.
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I took the course season before last up in Corona with my 2 boys. Its in the business park area around Giant RV. The schedule is busy. I just kept checking as they do have numerous cancelations. If you can be flexible you can probably get in sooner . Just keep checking. I was able to get in rather quickly. Although somewhat a long day it was kind of fun.

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But the question remains, how can something be mandatory if there is no reasonable way to take the course?

Not only that, but why am I having to pay for it ahead of time (the $100 rebate) with no possible chance of be being able to redeem that rebate?

I was told by the guy that called me about my appointment that there were ZERO places in all of San Diego County.

Ok, in my instance I could care less whether I take this course or not. It seems pretty Mickey Mouse to me. I don't have kids. I think the requirement is pretty much out of proportion but hey, this is California. But I'm out the $100, Suzuki gets to keep that money and they get to tell the feds that they are allowing their customers to take the course for free.
All the while, I have no chance at all to take the course.

Another case of the Government enacting legislation that they don't fund. I can almost garentee that the fact that there are no places in San Diego County will get you out of any ticket you might get for this. So it's a lame duck law.
Except most people will pay the ticket like the good little citizens that they are, the system will continue on it's way, and the only person who loses is the hapless purchasser who happens to find a LEO who's having a bad day.
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It all STINKS! This is a B.S. law. Looks like another letter to the honorable randy (Duke) Cunningham is in order. Here is a link to contact California congressmen.http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-b ... c&state=ca 8)

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Why is there such a shortage of classes - no instructors? Does it not pay well?
Vince, the reason it is so hard is becaus ethe classes take 6 hours to teach and can only have a max of 8 students per class. At best, you could only get 56 students done in a week at any given site. If they do the class only 5 days a week, well you see the problem. As for th einstructors, the get paid $35.00 per student from ATVSI. SO it's not really a money thing. There are not a large number of instructors and way too many students.

On a side note, I finally got the last of my paperwork finalized from ATVSI, I can now offer to teach these classes and certify adults and children. Classes will start forming very soon and will be FREE to all paid DUNERs members.
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It was my belief that one major problem with getting more classes was the inability to find sites.

There are precious few places within most cities that will allow any kind of off-road riding, even if it is for a safety class.
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There is some truth to that. However, in my case, being I am independant instructor, only teaching people with "my" organization, meaning not the general public, I can use any site I want. As long as the site is legal for riding of course. I dont need to get prior site approval. Those teaching for ASI need site approval.
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Classes will start forming very soon and will be FREE to all paid DUNERs members.
How much for ASA members?
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How much for ASA members?
Vince, I was "sponsored" by DUNERs to take the instuctor class. I enrolled as a DUNERS rep. What I was told bt ATVSI is I can instruct members of "my" organization for free, and all others must pay for the course.
My instuctor told me they must be part of "my" org. That tells me they must be members of DUNERs to get the free instruction.

So the answer to your question, what ever DUNERs membership is. And that would be a question for the BOD of DUNERs.
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I was "sponsored" by DUNERs to take the instuctor class.
How does that work - is there $$$ that DUNERs put out? Or do you just pick a club affiliation? Do you have to belong to an organization to become an instructor? I'm not clear on what "sponsored" is and how it works.
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Could someone who bought a new quad take the course for free (if it is a participating brand)?
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Tom-
Could someone who bought a new quad take the course for free (if it is a participating brand)?
Well, yes, but not thru me unless they are DUNERs members.
The dealer offers the course for free when you buy a bike, but you probably knew that. I think if I do the course, you can show your paperwork to the appropriate people and still get you $100.00 back

How does that work - is there $$$ that DUNERs put out? Or do you just pick a club affiliation? Do you have to belong to an organization to become an instructor? I'm not clear on what "sponsored" is and how it works.
Yes there is a feeenvloved and DUNERs picked up the tab for that. Anyone can become an instructor.
You can be a "private" instructor as I am and teach your own people for free and the course for that is $450.00 I think.

Or you can become an ATVSI instructor and teach the public. That course is free, however when you then teach the public, they must pay $125.00 to ATVSI to take your course.
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Vince, sounds like the ASA should sponsor a member or two to become instructors. It would be another good incentive to become a member.
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Somebody I know has a brand new quad and would be a perfect instructor, ...Maybe Brian?
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Is that Brian or Bryan? :lol:
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It would be another good incentive to become a member.
To become a paid member. And if you ride in the local sand dunes get a free safty course valued at $125.00....or something like that....

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Vince, sounds like the ASA should sponsor a member or two to become instructors. It would be another good incentive to become a member.
Mmmm...
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DuneRookie wrote:
It would be another good incentive to become a member.
To become a paid member. And if you ride in the local sand dunes get a free safty course valued at $125.00....or something like that....
I was actually thinking along the same lines, free safety course to Supporting Members, however, the state may restrict some of that.
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Still haven't addressed the location issue, or the fact that I was forced to pay (in the form of a $100 non-refundable rebate) for something that is impossible for me to participate in.
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BHenry wrote:Is that Brian or Bryan? :lol:
It certainly isn't me! :lol: :lol:
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Vince, sounds like the ASA should sponsor a member or two to become instructors. It would be another good incentive to become a member.
Do as many as you can...the line for students is huge and only 8 can be taught at a time...someone 50th on the list could be there for a long time...and 50 people waiting is not out of reach...I know I have well over 50 waiting right now. of course it only took ATVSI a year to finally get my paperwork straightened out...But that guy is gone now, so maybe you can get it done quicker...
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Is that Brian or Bryan?
It is Bryan, sorry Bryan I misspelled.
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Sand Commander wrote:
Is that Brian or Bryan?
It is Bryan, sorry Bryan I misspelled.
No problem, happens all the time. My favorite misspelling is B-R-A-I-N.
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Sand Commander wrote:Somebody I know has a brand new quad and would be a perfect instructor, ...Maybe Brian?
BHenry wrote:Is that Brian or Bryan?
Or Brian that is spelled Voice perhaps? :wink:
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Quad riding 101 - Instructor: ThePastor
In this course we will cover the basics:
1) How to ride with one hand without spilling.
2) How to ride barefoot to the bathroom.
3) What is the most appropriate music to listen to while riding.
4) How to keep your Camel Pack clean after filling it with Captain's and Coke
5) How to sleep through any noise until 10am


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The info I found was requiring a two or three day course, to become a instructor. I asked if I could hold a training course at Glamis they said no problem, they could also provide you with bikes to run the class. Why don't we get it worked out so some one holds the class by vendor row on big weekends and class about 25 people two or three times a day. I will look for the paperwork they sent me on this and try to post it. I just called the atv safety instatute they are looking for Instructors. You could just hold the classes and ask for a donation to the asa?? 100.00 plus the 25.00 for the instructor. Just my .02
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The info I found was requiring a two or three day course, to become a instructor. I asked if I could hold a training course at Glamis they said no problem, they could also provide you with bikes to run the class. Why don't we get it worked out so some one holds the class by vendor row on big weekends and class about 25 people two or three times a day. I will look for the paperwork they sent me on this and try to post it. I just called the atv safety instatute they are looking for Instructors. You could just hold the classes and ask for a donation to the asa?? 100.00 plus the 25.00 for the instructor. Just my .02
The course to become an ATVSI instructor takes 5 days, about 7 hours per day.
You can hold "private" classes anywhere you find ground that is legal and fits the requirments of the course. ATVSI does not provide bikes for private classes however they do provide them when going for the instructor course. The max class size is 8 students. The class takes 6 hours to complete, if you wanted to put the time in, you could do at best, 2 classes a day. Dont forget your insurance coverage incase someone gets injured while at, and under the direction of an ASA rep.
I wont even touch the "donation" part of this post...thats up to the ASA.
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Voice wrote:Quad riding 101 - Instructor: ThePastor
In this course we will cover the basics:
1) How to ride with one hand without spilling.
2) How to ride barefoot to the bathroom.
3) What is the most appropriate music to listen to while riding.
4) How to keep your Camel Pack clean after filling it with Captain's and Coke
5) How to sleep through any noise until 10am


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