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Sandcock wrote:What's the next step?
The aSa has preparred a Press Release that will probably be released tomorrow.
The ruling has not yet hit the Federal Register, it is supposed to tomorrow morning.

Beyond that, I don't know.
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Earlier today Larry Jowdy emailed the ISDRA TRT members a Pre-Release document from the USFWS. I don't know if this is a different document than what will be on the Federal Register on 7/17/08 or not. The Pre-Release document has been uploaded into Document Section of the ISDRA TRT website (www.isdratrt.org).

Here is a direct link:

USFWS Pre-Release PMV 20080716

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Good job U.S.F.W.S. people - Thank you for telling us that you were correct all along.

In reading this, it sounds like the next step should be to close the dunes completely from October through February each year, which is the critical time for these endangered plants.

This is more evidence that to liberalism, facts, much like our Constitution are relative; living and breathing according to a given situational need or desired outcome.

Another victory for those manipulators of decent, law abiding citizens of the United States of America.

This is also an opportune time for them to make this decision. With the economic downturn taking it's toll on the OHV industry and those of us who participate in the sport, the U.S.F.W.S., the CBD and other like minded groups are probably hoping that there will not be much monetary support left to continue this fight.

Frankly, this ruling as noted herein should not be surprising - disappointing to say the least, but not surprising.

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I didn't read word for word but (insert barf bag here) at a glance the FWS seem to go out of their way to discredit the results and surveys by Dr Phillips. Perhaps it can't be posted here but what recourse is available based on the FWS conclusion? I am also curious what Dr Phillips may have to say.

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It's no wonder why Gills and Feathers are getting sued right and left. They completely dismissed Dr Phillips science where the CBD had none but accusation is beyond rational thinking. What a bunch of morons :evil:

It looks like it was easier for them to come out with this ruling to avoid the lawsuit we just slapped on them for not coming out with a timely response. What is our next move with Ecologics?
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On behalf of the American Sand Association (ASA) Board Of Directors, Mike Sommer released ASA's most recent press release today, which follows the ASA's mission statement of "Unite, Inform, and Mobilize."

The release is titled "Off-road enthusiasts at Imperial Sand Dunes disappointed over Federal decision to not de-list Peirson's Milk Vetch."

This release is aimed at informing outdoor recreation enthusiasts and the American public about the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service's recent decision to not remove the PMV plant from the Endangered Species List. This decision comes as a disappointment to the ASA and its 33,000+ members, largely due to the fact that this plant has undergone many extensive and costly studies which all have the same conclusion: The plant is thriving and its numbers fluctuate according to rainfall, and there is no evidence that off-highway vehicles negatively affect the continued viability of the PMV.

To the media, the ASA has asked for help to spread the truth about how the extreme environmentalists continue to use the Endangered Species Act to further their agenda of closing public lands and restricting access to the American public.

As per here:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT:
American Sand Association Jerry Seaver — (602) 864-1788
P.O. Box 1872 ASA Founder, Advisory Board Member
Canyon Country, CA 91386 Michael Sommer — (714) 979-2560 xt. 107
(888) 540-7263 ASA Media Affairs Chairman
DATE:
July 17, 2008
HEADLINE:
Off-road enthusiasts at Imperial Sand Dunes disappointed over Federal decision to not
de-list Peirson’s Milk Vetch

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CANYON COUNTRY, CA — After nearly three years since the American Sand Association
(ASA) first petitioned the Secretary of the Interior that the Peirson’s Milk Vetch be removed from
the Endangered Species List, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service (USFWS) announced today that
the plant warrants continued protection and will remain on the list of endangered species.
The battle encompassing the 49,300 acres of land temporarily closed to off-highway vehicles
(OHVs) at the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area (ISDRA), which is managed by the Bureau
of Land Management (BLM), has inarguably been one of the highest profile cases involving U.S.
public lands and the differing interests between off-road enthusiasts and extreme environmental
organizations. Environmentalists were able to get the plant listed under the Endangered Species
Act without first conducting any scientific studies or providing data that the plant warranted
protection in the first place. Off-road enthusiasts contend the plant was simply a tool used by
environmental extremists to have the dunes temporarily closed, and off-roaders have spent
millions of dollars and countless volunteer hours trying to prove the plant is flourishing in the
dunes and does not qualify as a species that deserves federal protection.
Off-road recreationists who have been battling the environmental consortium in federal courts for
several years believe the scientific data the FWS and BLM have collected over the last few
years should have verified the PMV was doing well and did not require continued federal
protection. The anti-access advocates and environmental extremists continue to use every
avenue available to them to further their agenda to close public lands. “Their weapon of choice
during the past several years at the Imperial Sand Dunes has been the Endangered Species
Act,” said Jim Bramham, a member of the ASA Board of Directors. Bramham and the other Board
of Directors with the ASA have chosen to work closely with the land management agencies, and
Press Release — American Sand Association
support the method of gathering scientific data to make logical decisions whether public lands are
closed for environmental protection or remain open for recreational access.
Many off-road enthusiasts are understandably outraged over the decision by the USFWS to
keep the PMV on the Endangered Species List. They believe this is a politically-charged ruling,
rather than a decision based on what is best for both the environment and the economic impact to
both the private and public sectors. Off-road recreation is a hobby that has become a way of life
for many generations of people living in the western United States, and losing valuable riding
areas because of a blatant misuse of the Endangered Species Act is a sad situation that impacts
many Americans, not just those who ride off-road vehicles.
The members of the American Sand Association urge fellow Americans, whether they’re
enthusiasts of off-road vehicles or other types of outdoor recreational activities, to take a hard look
at the science behind this 8-year battle. The fact remains that the Peirson’s Milk Vetch plant ranks
as the most studied plant in the entire California desert! The studies conducted by Dr. Art Phillips,
as well as the Bureau of Land Management, clearly conclude this plant is not deserving of a
“Threatened” status by the USFWS. In 2006, a count of 1.8 million PMV plants were found at the
ISDRA. In addition, notable data suggests that less than 0.5% of the plants are affected by offroad
vehicles.
What many people do not realize is that nearly 26,202 acres of land situated within the ISDRA,
north of Highway 78, have already been designated as a “Wilderness” area, closed to OHV use.
This area, coupled with the current administration closures, make it nearly impossible for OHV
activity to damage or threaten the PMV plant which is shown to be thriving in the barren desert
environment.
The American Sand Association stands fast to its resolution that the PMV is not deserving of a
Federally protected status. The plant has been the subject of many extensive and costly
studies, and all the reports draw the same conclusion: The plant is very hardy but its numbers
fluctuate according to rainfall; and there is no evidence that OHV use negatively affects the
continued viability of the PMV. The ASA urges its members and other OHV enthusiasts to
continue honoring the “temporary” closures that are currently set in place.
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About the American Sand Association
The American Sand Association is a non-profit organization of approximately 33,000 members dedicated to
preserving the use of public lands for sand sport enthusiasts’ use, improving OHV safety and promoting responsible
land use. Some local sand sport areas include the Imperial Sand Dunes, Oceano Dunes (Pismo Beach) and Dumont
Dunes in California, Sand Mountain in Nevada and Hotwell Dunes in Arizona. The ASA is an all-volunteer
organization with no paid staff. We rely on the financial support of sand sport enthusiasts and small businesses.
Most of the members are family-oriented, have a rich family history going back for generations enjoying the sand
sport; and most have a significant financial investment in their equipment, gear and campers. Additional information
can be found on our web site at <www.americansandassociation.org>.
Special thanks to Mike Sommer [a.k.a. HotVWGuy] who composed and distributed this Press Release in such short order!
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And here is the CBD's Press Release:
For Immediate Release, July 17, 2008

Contact: Ileene Anderson, Center for Biological Diversity, (323) 654-5943 or (323) 490-0223

Federal Government Recognizes Extinction Threat and
Upholds Threatened Status for the Imperiled Peirson's Milk-vetch

LOS ANGELES— Today the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service dismissed a sham petition to remove the Peirson’s milk-vetch from Endangered Species Act protection. The Service determined that the rare plant is still threatened with extinction owing to rampant off-road vehicle activities in its habitat at the Algodones Dunes in Southern California.

“Keeping protections for the Peirson’s milk-vetch is scientifically defensible and a good move,” said Ileene Anderson, a biologist with the Center for Biological Diversity, “but more is needed to ensure the plant doesn’t just teeter on the brink of extinction. We need to stop off-road vehicles from tearing up habitat and running over the plants.”

The Peirson’s milk-vetch is found only on a small portion of Southern California’s Algodones Dunes, where it ekes out life amongst the abrasive shifting sands. It has purple-pink, pea-like flowers and produces large, inflated pods, which blow off the plant, shedding seeds. The Algodones Dunes, also known as the Imperial Dunes, have become a hub for off-road vehicle enthusiasts, who tear over the shifting sands at high speeds, killing the plants and animals that live in this fragile ecosystem. The Bureau of Land Management which is responsible for protecting the dunes, allows hundreds of thousands of off-road vehicles to tear up the habitat, creating a Mad Max-like scenario between October and May and threatening the survival of the milk-vetch.

“The Bureau of Land Management needs to put in place additional protections for the milk-vetch, including significant new restrictions on off-road vehicle mayhem, to prevent this special plant from going extinct,” added Anderson.

Located in the Sonoran Desert of southeastern California’s Imperial County, the scenic and remote Algodones Dunes are the largest dune ecosystem in the United States, spilling into Mexico on their southern end. They harbor at least 160 different animal and plant species, many of which are found nowhere else in the world. The dunes are heavily damaged, with as many as 240,000 off-road vehicles driving across the dunes destroying vegetation, wildlife habitat, and polluting the air on some weekends. The heavy visitor use has also resulted in criminal problems that stress law enforcement and burden local emergency services. The free-play areas on the southern end of the dunes along the border are a conduit for illegal drug and human smuggling. Smugglers blend in with off-road vehicle riders and make their illegal beeline to Interstate 8, much to the frustration of Homeland Security and the Border Patrol.

The petition to delist the milk-vetch was submitted by off-road vehicle interest groups.
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Woodglue wrote:
To the media, the ASA has asked for help to spread the truth about how the extreme environmentalists continue to use the Endangered Species Act to further their agenda of closing public lands and restricting access to the American public.
I'm going to do my best to get this out!

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DuneRookie wrote:I am also curious what Dr Phillips may have to say.
gelwell wrote:They completely dismissed Dr Phillips science where the CBD had none but accusation is beyond rational thinking. What a bunch of morons :evil:
I know that Art Phillips reads the board from time to time and I hope he sees this. Art, please know that the ASA members and dune enthusiasts appreciate the hard work you and your team have put into the studies of the PMV. Eventually this will be realized by others. I just hope it is sooner than later. Thanks. =D>
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I think we all acknowledge the excellent work that Dr. Phillips contributed to for the cause and the hard works and efforts to all involved.................it's just mind boggling.......it appears the FWS did not even consider the data.
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Woodglue wrote:And here is the CBD's Press Release:
For Immediate Release, July 17, 2008

Contact: Ileene Anderson, Center for Biological Diversity, (323) 654-5943 or (323) 490-0223

Federal Government Recognizes Extinction Threat and
Upholds Threatened Status for the Imperiled Peirson's Milk-vetch

LOS ANGELES—
Today the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service dismissed a sham petition
to remove the Peirson’s milk-vetch from Endangered Species Act protection. The Service determined that the rare plant is still threatened with extinction owing to rampant off-road vehicle activities in its habitat at the Algodones Dunes in Southern California.

“Keeping protections for the Peirson’s milk-vetch is scientifically defensible and a good move,” said Ileene Anderson, a biologist with the Center for Biological Diversity, “but more is needed to ensure the plant doesn’t just teeter on the brink of extinction.
We need to stop off-road vehicles from tearing up habitat and running over the plants.”
The Peirson’s milk-vetch is found only on a small portion of Southern California’s Algodones Dunes, where it ekes out life amongst the abrasive shifting sands. It has purple-pink, pea-like flowers and produces large, inflated pods, which blow off the plant, shedding seeds. The Algodones Dunes, also known as the Imperial Dunes, have become a hub for off-road vehicle enthusiasts,
who tear over the shifting sands at high speeds, killing the plants and animals that live in this fragile ecosystem.
The Bureau of Land Management which is responsible for protecting the dunes, allows hundreds of thousands of off-road vehicles to tear up the habitat,
creating a Mad Max-like scenario between October and May and threatening the survival of the milk-vetch.
“The Bureau of Land Management needs to put in place additional protections for the milk-vetch, including significant new restrictions on off-road vehicle mayhem, to prevent this special plant from going extinct,” added Anderson.

Located in the Sonoran Desert of southeastern California’s Imperial County, the scenic and remote Algodones Dunes are the largest dune ecosystem in the United States, spilling into Mexico on their southern end. They harbor at least 160 different animal and plant species, many of which are found nowhere else in the world. The dunes are heavily damaged, with as many as 240,000 off-road vehicles driving across the dunes destroying vegetation, wildlife habitat, and polluting the air on some weekends. The heavy visitor use has also resulted in criminal problems that stress law enforcement and burden local emergency services. The free-play areas on the southern end of the dunes along the border are a conduit for illegal drug and human smuggling. Smugglers blend in with off-road vehicle riders and make their illegal beeline to Interstate 8, much to the frustration of Homeland Security and the Border Patrol.

The petition to delist the milk-vetch was submitted by off-road vehicle interest groups.
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I find this insulting and somwhat slanderous. It is amazing that they cant express themselves without name calling. A sure sign of intelligence. Lets paint all the offroaders as evil. Sad part is some people buy into it.

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This just in from the CBD
For Immediate Release, July 17, 2008

Contact: Ileene Anderson, Center for Biological Diversity, (323) 654-5943 or (323) 490-0223

Federal Government Recognizes Extinction Threat and
Upholds Threatened Status for the Imperiled Peirson's Milk-vetch

LOS ANGELES— Today the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service dismissed a sham petition to remove the Peirson’s milk-vetch from Endangered Species Act protection. The Service determined that the rare plant is still threatened with extinction owing to rampant off-road vehicle activities in its habitat at the Algodones Dunes in Southern California.

“Keeping protections for the Peirson’s milk-vetch is scientifically defensible and a good move,” said Ileene Anderson, a biologist with the Center for Biological Diversity, “but more is needed to ensure the plant doesn’t just teeter on the brink of extinction. We need to stop off-road vehicles from tearing up habitat and running over the plants.”

The Peirson’s milk-vetch is found only on a small portion of Southern California’s Algodones Dunes, where it ekes out life amongst the abrasive shifting sands. It has purple-pink, pea-like flowers and produces large, inflated pods, which blow off the plant, shedding seeds. The Algodones Dunes, also known as the Imperial Dunes, have become a hub for off-road vehicle enthusiasts, who tear over the shifting sands at high speeds, killing the plants and animals that live in this fragile ecosystem. The Bureau of Land Management which is responsible for protecting the dunes, allows hundreds of thousands of off-road vehicles to tear up the habitat, creating a Mad Max-like scenario between October and May and threatening the survival of the milk-vetch.

“The Bureau of Land Management needs to put in place additional protections for the milk-vetch, including significant new restrictions on off-road vehicle mayhem, to prevent this special plant from going extinct,” added Anderson.

Located in the Sonoran Desert of southeastern California’s Imperial County, the scenic and remote Algodones Dunes are the largest dune ecosystem in the United States, spilling into Mexico on their southern end. They harbor at least 160 different animal and plant species, many of which are found nowhere else in the world. The dunes are heavily damaged, with as many as 240,000 off-road vehicles driving across the dunes destroying vegetation, wildlife habitat, and polluting the air on some weekends. The heavy visitor use has also resulted in criminal problems that stress law enforcement and burden local emergency services. The free-play areas on the southern end of the dunes along the border are a conduit for illegal drug and human smuggling. Smugglers blend in with off-road vehicle riders and make their illegal beeline to Interstate 8, much to the frustration of Homeland Security and the Border Patrol.

The petition to delist the milk-vetch was submitted by off-road vehicle interest groups.

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Voice wrote:This just in from the CBD
Umm...yeah...it was posted on this very page yesterday - 5 posts above.

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:lol:
Not only that Jason, but it's now posted a 3rd time in a duplicate thread in this same forum. :roll:
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What I immediately notice reading through the long version of the FWS response is that in the past the only real criticism they've offered of Dr. Phillips studies is that they weren't long term enough - they now seem to have abandoned that...

But are themselves relying on short term studies which were performed AFTER they were legally required to have issued a response to the delisting petition. Had the ASA played the kind of hardball the CBD does and filed suit the first day possible after a missed deadline the FWS would never have had time to go farm out their new short term (and less reviewed) studies that back their assumptions.

The cherry picking done by the FWS in this case is flat out astounding. Even more so when viewed in context of the timeline of events and whey they were legally required to make a finding vs. when they actually did.

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I understand the delicate nature of the issue, but I have to ask, can a lawsuit be filed against FWS for the weak data that they used to draw a conclusion to keep the PMV on the endangered list? It seems to me that the data submitted by Hubbard on behalf of Asa, et al was more in depth and ahs more supporting data to have the PMV delisted. Another question, could FWS have made their decision based on retrobution towards AsA for filing the lawsuit?

Due to the sensitivity of the issue, I understand if the concerns above cannot be addressed at this time.

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Sue!! We need to sue in Idaho outside of the 9th Circus or perhaps even Texas. We can file anywhere we want and the CBD does this tactic better than any. This is clearly the green agenda infiltrated into the government at the top levels, even in the Bush Administration. They will side against us every time because anyone even slightly radical sees us off-roaders as a threat regardless of what actuality or reality is. It's time to use the warchest, SUE, SUE, SUE!!!

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Umm...yeah...it was posted on this very page yesterday - 5 posts above.

Not only that Jason, but it's now posted a 3rd time in a duplicate thread in this same forum.
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No,but you can try.
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Here is an interview from KPBS. This came about as the recent Press Release that was issued on the FWS ruling.
Desert Plant has Environmentalists, Off-Roaders in Battle Over Sand Dunes
Jul 21, 2008
Erik Anderson

Federal officials will have to consider a rare desert plant as they draw up plans to manage the Imperial Valley's sand dunes. The Bureau of Land Management is squeezed between off roaders who want the freedom to ride and environmentalists who want to protect a delicate habitat. KPBS Reporter Erik Anderson has details.

The scrubby Pierson's Milkvetch scrapes out a fragile existence among the shifting hills of the nation's largest sand dune park. The plucky plant is also at the center of a long running dispute. Federal law requires protection for the threatened species, but off-road advocates aren't convinced the plant is at risk. Steve Razo work's for the Bureau of Land Management. He says the federal agency has struggled to find a balance.


Razo: Our congressional charter is to manage for multiple use, so we do have a responsibility to conserve, conservation is a critical part, as well as, you know, having access for the american public to join their public lands.

The milkvetch landed on the threatened species list a decade ago. A court ordered settlement in 2000 ordered temporary off limits signs for vehicles on about 50,000 acres of the dunes. That's just under half of the 40 mile long swath of sand that reaches from the Mexican border to the Chocolate Mountains east of the Salton Sea. The Desert Protective Council's Terry Weiner wants those protections to become a permanent part of the Dunes management plan.

Weiner: They still have 69,000 acres to do off roading in. That's a huge amount of land and then people who want to go on a bird watch and hike across the dunes and not have to listen to the noise or smell the fumes will have half the area too.

Off road advocates just lost a three year battle to have the Milkvetch removed from the threatened species list. The American Sand Association's Michael Sommer says the dunes frequently attract more than 100-thousand people on winter holiday weekends. He says the Association won't give up its fight for more access, because more riding room means a safer off road area.

Somer: People will adjust out in the Sand Dunes, and you know is just, we're constantly losing piece by piece portions of a large riding area.

The courts have already rejected one Bureau of Land Management plan because it gave too much access to off road vehicles. The Fish and Wildlife Service Decision to keep the Peirson's Milkvetch on the threatened species list will play a major role in the second version of the plan. That blueprint is due out next year.

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Weiner: They still have 69,000 acres to do off roading in. That's a huge amount of land and then people who want to go on a bird watch and hike across the dunes and not have to listen to the noise or smell the fumes will have half the area too.



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Weiner: They still have 69,000 acres to do off roading in. That's a huge amount of land and then people who want to go on a bird watch and hike across the dunes and not have to listen to the noise or smell the fumes will have half the area too.
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How many different types of birds are out in the middle of the dunes? And who is going to HIKE across the dunes to see them?
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bgwhtjp33 wrote:How many different types of birds are out in the middle of the dunes?
ACTUALLY…..


There really are a few different species of birds in and around the dunes. Including Red Tailed Hawks. Seen some large ones myself. Awesome!!!

Admittedly, I have never seen any Green Coated, Yellow Bellied Hiker Birds. They are extremely rare. I’d even venture to say that species is extinct. 8)
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L&L Corvairs wrote:
bgwhtjp33 wrote:How many different types of birds are out in the middle of the dunes?
ACTUALLY…..

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Admittedly, I have never seen any Green Coated, Yellow Bellied Hiker Birds.
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Admittedly, I have never seen any Green Coated, Yellow Bellied Hiker Birds. They are extremely rare. I’d even venture to say that species is extinct. 8)
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What is the next step? Or when can the general public know the next step?
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Mike330R wrote:What is the next step? Or when can the general public know the next step?
The ASA BOD and our legal representatives are discussing the next course of action on the PMV issue. As this information can be made public our membership will be made aware of the direction we are taking.

This, while it is the most visible issue, it is by no means the only issue affecting the ISDRA now and in the near future. The issue of fees, BLM O&M budgets, trash, dust, OHMVR grants, safety, law enforcement, and the upcoming RAMP are all important issues affecting the continued operation of the ISDRA. The ASA is involved in all these issues in one way or another.

The goal is still to get the administrative closures opened up, but the users need involvement on the other issues as well. These other issues can and will affect the continued use of the ISDRA.

Come to the next information meeting that the ASA is hosting. It is Saturday August 9th at the Extreme Performance facility in San Bernardino. Here there will be representatives from the different agency’s that affect the ISDRA. You can ask questions of them and the ASA BOD and get first hand information.

The information on the upcoming information meeting can be found on the main ASA web page.

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With all due respect, I know you are trying to do your best to keep the troops motivated and all, but the Closure issue IS the issue. It's the reason and purpose of the ASA.
The other stuff is incidental.

With this crushing blow comes the spectre of defeat. The Governemnt, with their CBD partners have taken our off-roading land using the half/half/half method. That is, they split the land, half for recreation, half for preservation. Then they half the recreation land again, half for recreation, half for preservation. I have no dobut that in 10 years they will half our land again.

THIS is the issue. Fees suck, the BLM need to be watched, Safety is always good, but the closure is the issue.

And we are losing.
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Thanks for the info, I was more looking for a time line when we can know the next plan if that's possible.

Also I hope it's not like VOR mentions of more o fthe half/half deals.
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Mike the Voice is right. I remember when the 40K acres north of 78 was to be the one and only closure. A few bitches but not much of a fight went down because we were told there would be no more closures. We have been lied to because of the spineless morons that run the interior dept. The half method is working and unfortunately working well. Same thing in Divorce court everything is half and now let's talk about splitting up your half.
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The Half/Half/Half plan:
The milkvetch landed on the threatened species list a decade ago. A court ordered settlement in 2000 ordered temporary off limits signs for vehicles on about 50,000 acres of the dunes. That's just under half of the 40 mile long swath of sand that reaches from the Mexican border to the Chocolate Mountains east of the Salton Sea. The Desert Protective Council's Terry Weiner wants those protections to become a permanent part of the Dunes management plan.

Weiner: They still have 69,000 acres to do off roading in. That's a huge amount of land and then people who want to go on a bird watch and hike across the dunes and not have to listen to the noise or smell the fumes will have half the area too.
As you can see they very clearly only mention the ISDRA, and not the "Wilderness area" located north of 78.
I garuarntee that if you look back in the 70's you will see similar quotes concerning the halving of the Algadones Dunes into its current state with Wilderness to the north and recreation to the south.

EVERY TIME these guys make these statements it further erodes our position. No one in the public has ever even heard of the Wilderness area.
And, if you look closely at that quote it looks like off-roading is allowed all the way to the Chocolate Mountains, which it clearly is not.
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