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Post by sandrailprincess » Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:08 am

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Post by Jerry Seaver » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:52 am

The ASA BOD didn't know anything about this event until now.

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Post by crash » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:32 am

Here's to hoping the ASA takes legal action. :D

That event looks like it could end up being total mayhem.

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Post by Jerry Seaver » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:05 am

They have been asked to remove the ASA Logo from all their posters and promotional items. There should be no references to ASA sponsoring.

Also everyone needs to be careful when they read that someone is donating something to the ASA. Many times there is no follow thru and the ASA doesn't know anything about it.

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Post by crash » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:27 am

I know this is a common problem with many non-profits. IMO, if someone wants to give to the ASA, just right the check to the ASA, or check on the ASA site to make sure it is an ASA sponsered product/event.

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Post by Jerry Seaver » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:13 pm

Their website has been revised and any references to the ASA has been removed. The ASA BOD is talking to them for the first time and they seem to want to do the right thing. Time will tell.

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Post by sandrailprincess » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:31 pm

thanks Jerry

now if they follow thru with having it a family affair will be something else!! I for one will not hold my breath, I saw the girls they had in the booth at the AZSANDEXPO promoting the violence in there ggw video!!! Not GOOD!!!!
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Post by OBSESSED » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:33 pm

Let the fun fill times keep on keeping on sliding down that slip face down to the crash at the bottom of the bowl known and promoted as 4:20...

Remember you guys are open minded and think it's ok for any thing to go on, on this private property.

I say BULL!

A BS event that impacts my fun on public lands that I pay a permitted fee for Trumps your BS event [for profit] that will impact my/yours everyone’s free fun time on your private land that is surrounded by my public lands.

You Ok’ed the ST and passed on it now we all slide further down the slope to closure.

Remember, when the ISDRA is closed, the GBS will still be there and still be able to throw wild parties and sell product, and have concerts, maybe that is the master plan.


Being forced to slide down the slope and not liking it.





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As I have said many times before, bringing in a group of people that are there not to dune will breed in the end of our dune life as we know it. I am not picking on the GBS here, I have been against all events past, unless done 100% for the betterment of the dunes, why allow or support them?

I don’t care if the Mormon Branch of the ASA books the GBS parking lot to have a sing along and “happiness introduction”; I will be against it. I have nothing against ST or their brand of music [maybe too soft, and slow for me], however, what happens when something does happen at one of these sanctioned [or unsanctioned] events? The only true way to prevent some bad thing from happening [at a Glamis event] is to not let an event happen in the first place.

Tim, may be a great trash bag ‘hander outer’ organizer, and I give him ’Props’ for that, however let me quote him as he spoke to my wife a week and a half ago: “I’ll give it 10 years or less, at best, before ’they’ close the dunes down”…

Dune fest, concerts, poker give aways, anything for profit on or ’within’ [the GBS is within the ISDRA] any public lands I think will lend itself to closing the dunes. The event, does not need to be sanctioned [Exp: Quad Racing under lights during summer at Olds Hill] or for profit. I want to dune forever, however, all events that bring in one extra piece of trash will over tax the services of the ISDRA, [FYI: They are already overtaxed] and help lead to the closing of the dunes. If you allow or sanction one event, you must sanction or allow them all. You must treat all outside promoters as equal, and there is the slippery slope of closure at the bottom of the slip faced dune.

The event at the GBS on Dec 1, 2007 was a for profit event, am I wrong? Can anyone truly say it had a 100% positive influence on the dunes? Can anyone say, not one ‘EXTRA’ piece of trash was left behind?
Of course you can’t, or you are a liar.

Allowing any events loosely organized by any group or web site that brings in some one that doesn’t have a vested interest in the dunes [own a OHV you are vested], just to see the “Party Life” of Glamis in my opinion, is wrong.

I don’t care what you think, I am not trying to open a dialog, or debate, you believe however you want. Blow off this post, I just want to know, what do you think will be the cause of the dunes closure within TEN years? My toys will be completely worn out by then, however, I will never be buying/building another sand rail/quad/or OHV unless others are forced to give them away, when the end comes near.

The pundits have spoken, this event went well. When’s the next event? How far down the slip face will it take us? Sliding and duning until the end.

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So.... Enjoy what you have endorsed and brought upon yourself while YOU can!

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Post by L&L Corvairs » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:52 pm

Steve, I wasn’t going to comment, but I will now.

I’m a hard core libertarian. The basic right to the enjoyment of ones own property is just as precious and important as our right to bear arms and freedom of speech. I highly suggest YOU be careful what you ask for, especially if you OWN anything…like..say…a HOUSE, or….a Construction Business. You might just get it!! Remember, when you support removing OTHER PEOPLES rights because YOU don’t like what they are doing on their property, you better be willing to give up YOUR personal rights as well.


I agree, I don’t personally feel that the events the GBS is sponsoring are good for Glamis. I would like to think that if they promoted a “G” rated Dusk till Dawn party aimed at the ‘family’ crowd, they would have just as a successful and profitable event. But maybe not. I will not recommend this event to the OCATV, except to steer clear. Had I known about this event far enough in advance, I might have recommended that our club change or cancel our New Years outing. This isn’t the crowd I want my family, friends or club exposed to. Unfortunately, it’s too late for that, so we’ll go forward and hope that the promoters are good on their word.

Be that as it may, while I don’t like it, I will 110% support the GBSs right to use their property for any legal business activity they want to. Otherwise, I have to give up those privileges for myself.
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Post by OBSESSED » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:11 pm

L&L Corvairs wrote:I’m a hard core libertarian. The basic right to the enjoyment of ones own property .
I applaud you for having values, and core beliefs.

Well, this is where the Libertarian's and I part company...

If Michael Jackson were to buy the GBS and he would invite all the boys to come by to party, [YOU, I presume, would not have an issue with this either] …

I would have no more issue with this, than I would have with what is happening now in reality.

The GBS is within the boundaries of the ISDRA, this private property is a fluke of an existence, grand fathered in from the left over RR town.

The actions of the 'Private property' GBS will lend itself to the closure of the dunes, I am sorry if you don't understand this or agree with it. The GBS will still be private property throwing rock concerts long after the dunes are closed. Maybe, that is the master plan of the GBS who’s to know?

We have a fragile recreation that is being bombarded on all sides [and now within] wanting it to close down. If you and others do not think the likes of the CBD and other eco wacko .orgs are watching the actions of what goes on at Glamis, you have your head in the sand.


Since I can not turn back the closure clock [to say 1987], I would like to slow it a bit.

Tick-tock… the impending closure of our dunes is impacted by the owners of the GBS in a negative way, maybe that’s ok with you, however it is not ok with me.

I am a dune user first and everything in my life comes in behind, this is my belief system. I love my wife, but if she said “quit going to the dunes” I’d divorce her. The dunes are my life.

Libertarian principals are your life, the dunes I presume by your words come after that. So be it.


I worry that the actions or non actions of others put in charge will lend it self to the closure of my beloved dunes. I worry that I will regret this non action of others. I worry I will live to see the day that standing by the side lines and rubber stamping a concert/happening/party/rave will lead to the closure of the dunes.

I do not believe in the “Politically Correct” title for the ISDRA as being a “Multi Use Recreation Area”

The dunes are to be duned, and enjoyed by duners.




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Post by Dusty Rhodes » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:33 pm

I was going to stay out of this, but here goes:

Steve, will you recant your hysteria if this turns into a positive or even a nuetral event for Glamis? I am not saying that is going to happen but I am certainly not promoting the mass hysteria this has created either. This same thing happened with the Suicidal Tendencies and it turned out just fine. There isn't always going to be just bible study classes at Glamis. There will be events that are parties. Hell parties happen every single weekend in Glamis and the sky doesn't fall. This is a scheduled and organized party and hopefully held in check by good security (not some one tooth, in-bred, trailer trash, hick with a shirt that says security but as they have said security will be tight and handled by off duty federal officers) and a following of the rules. This SKY IS FALLING crap is ridiculous that some of you are promoting over this event. Because it doesn't fall within the scope of what you think should be happening or what you think a organized event should be.

Now did these people start off on the wrong foot with their advertising? Absolutely did. But they have since been called to task and "educated" shall we say and have taken the offensive language and meanings out of the advertising and have made right with the ASA. I say give them a chance. Like any event there is always the chance for asshats, but hopefully tight security will handle post haste. Give it a chance and stop judging before all the facts are in! This isn't the Hells Angels or the KKK where you know bad things are going to happen for crying out loud!
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Post by L&L Corvairs » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:48 pm

Steve,

Quite frankly, you are no different then the CBD/Eco-Nazis, in that you are just as much a zealot. That’s great and works for you. I don’t have a problem with that, as long as you, or the Nazis, don’t use your fanaticism to force YOUR rules on the rest of us.

Since I like to enjoy the use of my private property, I better support other people’s legal use a well, even if I don’t like what that use may be.

As for your M. Jackson analogy…sure, I wouldn’t like it any more then I do what they are doing now. But it would be HIS property, and I would have to support his right to do what ever he legally can do with it.

Your argument and mindset, Steve, is the same one that gun control activists use to take guns away from law abiding citizens. It’s the same one that other zealots use to eliminate pornography; to stifle free speech. It's the same logic that religous nutcases use to justify flying airplanes into buildings. Our Constitution is a fabulous doctrine that gives us so much freedom. Yet every time we force some other group/person to give up some freedom, some right we don’t happen to want to use or agree with, we take ourselves another step closer to a Socialist type state. We hurt all of us.

Here’s your solution, Steve. Go raise/get the money and buy the GBS store and property for yourself. I’m sure they have a price. It was for sale for many years. At one time, for far less then they might want for it today. Then you can do whatever you want with it. I’ll support that too.
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Post by Voice » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:23 pm

Private land or public land, licenses or permits are still required. Who in Imperial county is authorizing these permits and how much of that money is making its way back to Glamis?
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Post by Dusty Rhodes » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:44 pm

I didn't know you had to have a permit to throw a party on your own private property?
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Post by Voice » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:15 pm

To throw this kind of commercial event I'm almost certain of it.
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Post by Havaduner » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:27 pm

Dusty Rhodes wrote:I didn't know you had to have a permit to throw a party on your own private property?
I dont think this would be considered a private party on private property. When flyers are put out, and participants are charged an entrance fee, I dont know the word "party' is correct.

I have read everyones arguements, and I can understand each point of view, I have one question.
What are all these party revelers going to do, before and after their "organized event is over" Regardless of where this event is held, there are going to be a lot of so call Azzhats, flatbillers or whatever grouping you are against spilling into our precious public dunes, with the thought already put in their mind that they are in the land of no rules, and what ever happens here has to be a party land. When they get out of hand then what. Well, as Steve has pointed out is doesnt matter, cuz it's already happened, and it cant be taken back.

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Post by d_sheffs » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:52 pm

interesting topic.

I agree that GBS should be allowed to do what they like with private land within the rule of the law. But I also agree that GBS doesn't give a rats rear end what happens to the dunes. Remebr that when you need to buy something and pass right by GBS. The sooner they go under the better.

But this issue of a wild party at GBS store spilling over into ISDRA and giveing legit duners a bad rap is also legit. we are not talking about what color somebody wants to paint their house, this is a buisness. Are there no consequences to the actions of GBS that will impact the surrounding environment? I grew up in OC and on Fridays we would hang out at a car cruise drive in called Angellos. It got so out of hand and impacted so many local buisnesses, not to mention saftey issues and so forth, the police shut it all down. Should a night club be allowed to blast music outdoors and bother neighbors and allow drunken patrons to park on their lawns?

It seems the thing to do is go to the governing authorities and place complaints now, or to see what rules/regs are in place. This way at the least if it does go sour mabe there could be some legal recourse.

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Post by crash » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:21 am

I would liken this to ANY big public event ANYWHERE. There ARE laws about noise, and drunk driving, and drug use. It should be handled like any other rock concert at any other venue. Officers should be in the crowd keeping things reasonable, there should be permits so neighbors know what to expect, and there should be controlled ingress and egress to the event that should incude officers looking for impaired drivers. All these officers should be brought in and payed for by the event promoter and a requirement of the permit. They can call the event "Wild Party for Crack Smoking, Speedballin, MFs" so long as they abide by the laws that are on the books and hire the required security, it's the GBSs perogative and responsibility. Period.

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Post by Havaduner » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:17 am

d_sheffs wrote:interesting topic.

. But I also agree that GBS doesn't give a rats rear end what happens to the dunes. Remebr that when you need to buy something and pass right by GBS. The sooner they go under the better.

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Why would GBS not give a rats ***** about what happens to the dunes? Without the dunes being open, they're out of business. Why the animosity to the store?

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Post by Dusty Rhodes » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:20 am

Havaduner wrote:
d_sheffs wrote:interesting topic.

. But I also agree that GBS doesn't give a rats rear end what happens to the dunes. Remebr that when you need to buy something and pass right by GBS. The sooner they go under the better.

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Why would GBS not give a rats ***** about what happens to the dunes? Without the dunes being open, they're out of business. Why the animosity to the store?
I get a kick in the pants over that argument too. I am sure GBS wants to do something that will ruin their business. BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by d_sheffs » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:32 am

I get a kick in the pants over that argument too. I am sure GBS wants to do something that will ruin their business. BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
on the flip side, PLEAS EXPLAIN to everyone here what GBS does to support the dune community or help with the effort to keep the dunes open? (selling beer at the store to make a profit is not what i am talking about).

it seems to me they are exploiting their physical location to line their pockets with $$$. What have they ever contributed to the fight to keep the dunes open?

Are you telling me that they used the ASA name/logo on their flyers and internet advetisment without the consent of the ASA by accident? Hardly, that shows the devious nature of there intent and who we are really dealing with.


Why the animosity to the store?
All that GBS store has ever done is WHINE about how the vendors are killing their buisness. Seems to me that if buisness is so bad, they are free to leave any time they want. Or they could move over with the other vendors and compete like any other buisness. But GBS would rather cry unfai competition and drive everyone else off and make themselves the sole supplier in the dunes. If anyone has an unfair advantage in the ISDRA it is the GBS because they can not be kicked out like other vendors or duners can be. If eviction notices ever were to come, you can bet that GBS would be the last person there and thats just the way they want it.

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Post by Glamisbound » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:39 am

All that GBS store has ever done is WHINE about how the vendors are killing their buisness. Seems to me that if buisness is so bad, they are free to leave any time they want. Or they could move over with the other vendors and compete like any other buisness. But GBS would rather cry unfai competition and drive everyone else off and make themselves the sole supplier in the dunes. If anyone has an unfair advantage in the ISDRA it is the GBS because they can not be kicked out like other vendors or duners can be. If eviction notices ever were to come, you can bet that GBS would be the last person there and thats just the way they want it.
No doubt! Remember before vendors even set up out in the dunes (not sure how long you've been going out??) and GBS gouged people for every essential. And to top it off, they were rude as hell. Granted, they have changed quite a bit over the last couple years. They have lowered their prices and I have noticed a much better attitude the few times I have been in there. I believe this is most because of the vendors, i.e. competition, that set up a few hudred yards down the road.

Anyway, back to the point of the thread. I'm somewhere in the middle on this. Yeah, they have their rights and we must protect those to a high costs or we become hypocrites ourselves. But the bottom line is that this event will IMPACT others, who also have rights to be free from unreasonible disturbance by another (PC 415), regardless if that disturbance is coming from public OR private property. In other words, just b/c it's their property, they do not have the right to disturb others, including people who may be camping nearby.

But first and foremost, I just don't see how this event, and other like it, including the other recent one that we participated in, will have a positive impact on our dune enviornment. I've got to side with Steve here and say this will not help us one bit. In fact, there is a very possible threat that this event will have a negative impact on our dunes just by association.
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Post by d_sheffs » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:05 pm

No doubt! Remember before vendors even set up out in the dunes (not sure how long you've been going out??) and GBS gouged people for every essential. And to top it off, they were rude as hell. Granted, they have changed quite a bit over the last couple years.
I have been going to glamis fro 20 years. I recall how GBS was charging outrageous prices and printing flyers justifying it because there generator fuel prices were so high. well that was 10 years ago when gas was 1.35 a gallon. and yet, somehow now with the price of fuel where it is, they seem to be able to stay in buisness and lower their prices. how can that be?

I am still waiting for someone to chime in a tell me what GBS store is doing or has done to contribute to the fight to keep the dunes open.

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Post by L&L Corvairs » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:23 pm

d_sheffs wrote: I am still waiting for someone to chime in a tell me what GBS store is doing or has done to contribute to the fight to keep the dunes open.
I was going to write something pointed and nasty. But you aren’t worth the time.

I’ll just say they do their fair share. And if you can’t see it or don’t know about it, then perhaps you should spend some more time getting involved.
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Post by crash » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:49 pm

SLOPPY!!! Where's that popcorn emoti??!!

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Post by Sloppyduner » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:45 pm

crash wrote:SLOPPY!!! Where's that popcorn emoti??!!
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I'm kinda torn about this. I heard about this back at the H-bomb event. It hit me when I was watching the freestyle show "If one of these guys beefs it will go down as a death in the dunes. Thats not good." Then it hit me the media blames the dunes for any death within 5 miles of the sand. To me this is like bringing a stick of dynamite in your living room and hoping it doesn't go off. Most would say that's not a good idea.

But it's not my "living room". I don't have the right one way or the other to say this person doesn't have the right to do what they wish to do on their property. I DO though have the choice of attending or supporting the people that put this event on. I also have a right to take action IF this event effects my time in the dunes. I have made arrangements to be far from this crowd. I know how loud the H-bomb event was and how clearly you could hear it in wash 4.

The only thing I would like to see done is the GBS or he promoters being at garbage flats and up to wash 6 letting people know what to expect.


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Post by d_sheffs » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:34 pm

[quoteI’ll just say they do their fair share. And if you can’t see it or don’t know about it, then perhaps you should spend some more time getting involved.][/quote]

SO TELL US ALL........what is that "fair share"??? saying they do this or that and not backing it up with anything is pointless hearsay and does not cut it.

If you can come up with some hard facts I will glady recant.

I am sure it is reasonable to say there is a lot of scrutiny on ISDRA right now. SO you think GBS has the duning community's interest at heart by putting on a bash like this that is certain to draw unnecessary attention and negative publicity? dude, get your head out of the sand.

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Post by Washroad » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:06 pm

There was a lot of stuff flyin' in the air about the last event that was staged behind the GBS. What happened? Nothing. No problems, no trash, no big deal.

Kinda what I'm doing with this event; wait and see. Might turn out to be terribly tame.

Hey, it's on private property. Let 'em do what they want and reap the benefits or suffer the consequences.
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Post by glamisluvr » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:19 pm

THIS IS OUR COMPANIES E-MAIL TO THE ASA- WHO HAVE NOT ENDORSED THIS EVENT... (you may have also seen this on glamisdunes.com. We are trying to clear the air and some people's assumptions of our intentions. Again, this is our job and our livlihood, we are parents and we want nothing more than to keep our and our childrens playground open...)

My name is Lindsay and I am with Big Block Entertainment Group. Our company would first like to
apologize for any misunderstandings, misleading information, or hearsay. Prior to speaking with Bob
Mason, we were aware of a few things that were placed on our website by our webmaster that were not
approved by us and were just waiting for those changes to be made. Unfortunately, things were not
being changed as quickly as we would have liked because we were at the mercy of someone doing us a
favor. We have since changed those things so that our website directly reflects our intentions and goals
from this event on New Year’s Eve. As far as the initial flyer that was put out with a start time of 4:20,
this in no way shape or form is something we promote. Our flyers were done for us by one of our bands
who we had told to put doors open at 4:00 and the event starts at 4:30. Apparently, the band thought it
was clever and it obviously was not. We have since cut that band from our lineup and have changed our
digital flyer to reflect the appropriate start time.
As you all know, it is hard to control things in the digital world and we have been working non-stop for
the past few days to remove any older versions of the flyer and replace them with the new one. We have
since removed the ASA logo as well. This is our first event out in Glamis but our resume is pretty long
with events we have done all across the U.S. We work directly with the USO and military bases all over
to put on events for active military and their families. These events have never had any negative publicity
or inappropriate activities. Our goals are just the same with the New Year’s Eve event in Glamis.
Our thoughts and motive behind throwing this event on New Year’s was to provide an alternative to the
drinking, partying, and obnoxious behavior that happens in the Dunes. Our goal is to provide a fun,
family friendly show that people of all ages can enjoy. We have carefully selected and discussed with our
bands the type of environment we are providing for this event so that their show directly coincides with
our goals. We are laying asphalt on the property to bring in the street stunt bike elements and have
booked the top stunt riders in the country. We also have Brad Oxley from the International Speedway
coordinating our freestyle show. We have many industry companies who are providing giveaways; we
have 2 of the top DJ’s coming out to play cool fun music, and some other surprises. All in all everything
is geared toward making this an event for everyone. We knew in doing so that there would be those
people who would look at us and say, well that sounds like no fun since there is a zero tolerance policy
for alcohol and the “family” vibe. That is actually what we were aiming for, because we are targeting the
people who want something different to do where they can take their kids and feel safe. Seventy percent
of our company is parents and regulars in Glamis. This is even more of a reason for us to provide an
event that will bring a positive presence to the dunes.
We would love for the ASA to be a part of this event and many of our friends and families have been
supporters for a long time. We even have our pastor attending with his children and they have been
announcing this event at service as a place to ring in the New Year’s safely. We have coordinated with
local businesses in Imperial County in hopes of bringing them business from this event. We are renting
our equipment, referring local hotels, and using an asphalt company that are all businesses in the county.
We hope to build a relationship where we can bring future events and help progress the image of Glamis
sand Dunes to one of being very family friendly, safe and fun. I hope you will see what our intentions are
here and will help support this event for New Year’s Eve. We would also appreciate any suggestions you
may have to help with the fluidity and success of this New Year’s Bash.

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Post by L&L Corvairs » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:25 pm

d_sheffs wrote:
L&L Corvairs wrote:I’ll just say they do their fair share. And if you can’t see it or don’t know about it, then perhaps you should spend some more time getting involved.]
SO TELL US ALL........what is that "fair share"??? saying they do this or that and not backing it up with anything is pointless hearsay and does not cut it.

If you can come up with some hard facts I will glady recant.

I am sure it is reasonable to say there is a lot of scrutiny on ISDRA right now. SO you think GBS has the duning community's interest at heart by putting on a bash like this that is certain to draw unnecessary attention and negative publicity? dude, get your head out of the sand.

Naaa...I've already made my point. And you've helped it along. Had you read any of my stuff in this thread you'd already know how I personally feel about the upcoming New Years event.
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Post by d_sheffs » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:57 pm

Naaa...I've already made my point. And you've helped it along. Had you read any of my stuff in this thread you'd already know how I personally feel about the upcoming New Years event.
I wasn't asking about your sad pathetic feelings. I asked you to BACK UP the claims you made about how GBS contributes to the dune community, helps the fight to keep the dunes open, or has in anyway way had a positive impact on what goes on in the dunes.

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Not at the Sand Expo

Post by glamisluvr » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:24 pm

Just to clarify...NONE of our company was at the Sand Expo so I am not sure what sandprincess was referring to. It seems we are being confused with groups like "sand sluts", "glamis gone wild", and others. Again, we are NOT associated with any of these companies nor have we EVER put out any videos of "sex", "nudity", or other accusations.

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Post by Sandcock » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:51 pm

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Post by BHenry » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:35 am

Welcome to the board glamislvr. Thank you for the clarification. As you can see, we are very protective of the dunes, and are definitely concerned whenever an event of this type is planned. I would suggest for future events that the announcemnts are made on all of the related boards on the same day your marketing push begins, both for your benefit as well as allowing our passionate members ample opportunity to adjust their dune plans. I would also suggest a similar explanation/rundown/background info post like your first one here as a way to alleviate any concerns over these types of events.

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Re: Not at the Sand Expo

Post by Woodglue » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:49 pm

glamisluvr wrote:It seems we are being confused with groups like "sand sluts", "glamis gone wild", and others. Again, we are NOT associated with any of these companies nor have we EVER put out any videos of "sex", "nudity", or other accusations.
What is the name of your company glamisluvr?
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Post by Woodglue » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:54 pm

glamisluvr wrote:THIS IS OUR COMPANIES E-MAIL TO THE ASA- WHO HAVE NOT ENDORSED THIS EVENT... (you may have also seen this on glamisdunes.com. We are trying to clear the air and some people's assumptions of our intentions. Again, this is our job and our livlihood, we are parents and we want nothing more than to keep our and our childrens playground open...)

My name is Lindsay and I am with Big Block Entertainment Group. Our company would first like to
apologize for any misunderstandings, misleading information, or hearsay. Prior to speaking with Bob
Mason, we were aware of a few things that were placed on our website by our webmaster that were not
approved by us and were just waiting for those changes to be made. Unfortunately, things were not
being changed as quickly as we would have liked because we were at the mercy of someone doing us a
favor. We have since changed those things so that our website directly reflects our intentions and goals
from this event on New Year’s Eve. As far as the initial flyer that was put out with a start time of 4:20,
this in no way shape or form is something we promote. Our flyers were done for us by one of our bands
who we had told to put doors open at 4:00 and the event starts at 4:30. Apparently, the band thought it
was clever and it obviously was not. We have since cut that band from our lineup and have changed our
digital flyer to reflect the appropriate start time.
As you all know, it is hard to control things in the digital world and we have been working non-stop for
the past few days to remove any older versions of the flyer and replace them with the new one. We have
since removed the ASA logo as well. This is our first event out in Glamis but our resume is pretty long
with events we have done all across the U.S. We work directly with the USO and military bases all over
to put on events for active military and their families. These events have never had any negative publicity
or inappropriate activities. Our goals are just the same with the New Year’s Eve event in Glamis.
Our thoughts and motive behind throwing this event on New Year’s was to provide an alternative to the
drinking, partying, and obnoxious behavior that happens in the Dunes. Our goal is to provide a fun,
family friendly show that people of all ages can enjoy. We have carefully selected and discussed with our
bands the type of environment we are providing for this event so that their show directly coincides with
our goals. We are laying asphalt on the property to bring in the street stunt bike elements and have
booked the top stunt riders in the country. We also have Brad Oxley from the International Speedway
coordinating our freestyle show. We have many industry companies who are providing giveaways; we
have 2 of the top DJ’s coming out to play cool fun music, and some other surprises. All in all everything
is geared toward making this an event for everyone. We knew in doing so that there would be those
people who would look at us and say, well that sounds like no fun since there is a zero tolerance policy
for alcohol and the “family” vibe. That is actually what we were aiming for, because we are targeting the
people who want something different to do where they can take their kids and feel safe. Seventy percent
of our company is parents and regulars in Glamis. This is even more of a reason for us to provide an
event that will bring a positive presence to the dunes.
We would love for the ASA to be a part of this event and many of our friends and families have been
supporters for a long time. We even have our pastor attending with his children and they have been
announcing this event at service as a place to ring in the New Year’s safely. We have coordinated with
local businesses in Imperial County in hopes of bringing them business from this event. We are renting
our equipment, referring local hotels, and using an asphalt company that are all businesses in the county.
We hope to build a relationship where we can bring future events and help progress the image of Glamis
sand Dunes to one of being very family friendly, safe and fun. I hope you will see what our intentions are
here and will help support this event for New Year’s Eve. We would also appreciate any suggestions you
may have to help with the fluidity and success of this New Year’s Bash.
I just like how this letter sounds, and I wanted to "Memorialize" it into my post so that it can't be revised like the orignal post can be.
Hopefully, we never need to refer back to it! :wink:
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Post by crash » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:10 am

Dang. Now whose that that is acting like an attorney!? :lol:

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Post by Woodglue » Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:30 pm

Like I said, hopfully we never have to look back.
I have faith that this company [still not sure of the name] will attempt to 'do good' but I think there is a good chance of something going wrong here.
Given, the Sand Riot 2007 show was good But...
It ended well before midnight and you could see that some were visibly under the influence. I think if that party had another 7 hours to go when the gates closed, there could have been more.

A Dusk till Dawn Party.... on New Years eve.... behind the GBS in the middle of the mess.... it's just asking for trouble IMO.

No, no mistake about it.... I'll be there.
Heck, I want to see it first hand!

Jerry, are these guys attempting to partner with the ASA still?
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Re: Not at the Sand Expo

Post by Woodglue » Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:38 pm

Woodglue wrote:
glamisluvr wrote:It seems we are being confused with groups like "sand sluts", "glamis gone wild", and others. Again, we are NOT associated with any of these companies nor have we EVER put out any videos of "sex", "nudity", or other accusations.
What is the name of your company glamisluvr?
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Why no reply yet from glamisluvr :?:
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Post by glamisluvr » Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:23 pm

Our companies name is Big Block Entertainment Group. We do all kinds of these events for families as well as events just for adults. We take our stunt ruders and do safety events all over th U.S. Hope this helps woodglue!

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Re: Our company

Post by Woodglue » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:03 am

glamisluvr wrote:Hope this helps woodglue!
I'm trying! I really am!

I've been looking at your website, and in my opinion, there is an error that I feel should be noted.
From here:
BigBlock Entertainment wrote:Glamis Sand Dunes is the
premier location for off-road
enthusiasts. Anything goes is their motto while out in the
open sand!
[-X Simply not true! And I believe advertising such could become the rule-of-thumb for anyone who isn't otherwise informed.
There are a lot of things that don't "Go" at Glamis.

Please consider correcting the error.
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Post by glamisluvr » Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:13 pm

woodglue... I can see your concern with the verbage and the only meaning behind that was referring to riding out there with the land being so open and going up hills, jumping and all sorts of stuff. This was never meant to have a negative connotation and we are not an "anything goes" attitude company because strict guidelines have to be followed. It was simply referring to the riding, sand rails etc.

We are not trying to bring in a bunch of unruly patrons who could care less about Glamis. With the bands we have playing, people will not be driving 4 hours out to Glamis to see them when they can see them locally. Of course there may be a few, but the majority of the crowd will be people who have been to Glamis, who are camping there, and friends and families of them. This is an event that we are trying to cater to for the people out there who want something fun and different that they will be comfortable with their kids going to knowing they are safe and in a monitored controlled environment. We were hoping that some parents would come along too. :)

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Post by Glamisbound » Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:27 pm

woodglue... I can see your concern with the verbage and the only meaning behind that was referring to riding out there with the land being so open and going up hills, jumping and all sorts of stuff. This was never meant to have a negative connotation and we are not an "anything goes" attitude company because strict guidelines have to be followed. It was simply referring to the riding, sand rails etc.
Sorry, but I have to :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: at this. I call BS. Of course the web site and flyer have been changed and don't reflect the original statement in full, which was even more obviously enticing to the hard core party crowd we have been dealing with for the last 7 years.
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Post by OBSESSED » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:29 pm

Glamisbound wrote:
woodglue... I can see your concern with the verbage and the only meaning behind that was referring to riding out there with the land being so open and going up hills, jumping and all sorts of stuff. This was never meant to have a negative connotation and we are not an "anything goes" attitude company because strict guidelines have to be followed. It was simply referring to the riding, sand rails etc.
Sorry, but I have to :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: at this. I call BS. Of course the web site and flyer have been changed and don't reflect the original statement in full, which was even more obviously enticing to the hard core party crowd we have been dealing with for the last 7 years.
I agree...
We have gotten the dunes back from those that just go to dunes to party....
And now???
You are inviting them all back!

I will warn all to stay away...
If the San Andres fault broke free and a 9.0 earth quake was going to happen, who would want to be near the epicenter?
I say, nothing good will happen, stay away for your own safety!
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Post by gelwell » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:08 pm

If the San Andres fault broke free and a 9.0 earth quake was going to happen, who would want to be near the epicenter?
Ive got news for you the San Andreas fault runs very close to the dunes. Be careful for what you wish for. :?
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Post by Voice » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:19 pm

I gotta say that I'm a bit concerned about some of these characterizations.
"hard core party crowd"?
"those that just go to dunes to party."

Who decides what is legal or acceptable? Who makes these value judgements?
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Post by glamisluvr » Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:32 pm

Again, we are not a "hard core party" crowd! We love social getherings and places for people to be joined together in controlled and civilized environments. All of the events we have ever been involved in or coordinated take all things into consideration and the crowd we want to have at this event is family oriented.

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Post by HozayKwarvo » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:19 pm

Voice wrote:I gotta say that I'm a bit concerned about some of these characterizations.
"hard core party crowd"?
"those that just go to dunes to party."

Who decides what is legal or acceptable? Who makes these value judgements?
VOR has an excellent point here. If a gathering of folks only chooses to come to the dunes to listen to music and have some drinks... so be it. I do not (nor does anyone else) have the authority to tell people what is acceptable forms of recreation on public lands... that is within the law.

I think the last 5 words of that paragraph are as close as anyone will get to a definition or a judgement. As long as they are within the law, all is good. I think the party go'er terminology used above is in reference to the unlawful, trench digging, glass breaking, litter-bugging element that everyone here feels will contribute to additional restrictions and/or closures to the dunes.

I don't care if you go to the dunes to hike, ride a horse (or a camel :wink: ), ride OHVs all day and night, sit in camp and read a book, or simply drop anchor and put your toes in the sand while drinking margaritas all day long... all of those are perfectly acceptable forms of recreation.

As with almost everything else in society these days... it simply boils down to RESPECT. Respect for the other users, respect for the rules and regulations, respect for the dunes... plain and simple, respect. I don't understand where society as a whole has lost this concept... my 5 year old gets it, he writes it on paper repeatedly when he doesn't... but I digress.

You'll find all types out there... and anywhere for that matter... but around here and on the other board you'll pretty much only find those that are concerned for the dunes. Some may be opposed to any of this, some may be ok with it as long as it is done in a tasteful family manner that doesn't paint the dunes in a bad light, some may not care... all are pefectly within their bounds to have (and state) these opinions/concerns. Back to the point, I think it is safe to say that 99.9% of any perceived "backlash" your event is receiving is because these folks are genuinely concerned for the welfare of the dunes. We/they have worked for YEARS in an attempt to remove the "Anything Goes!" from the headlines of national newspapers... and all of that can be flushed down the drain with a single misguided event, be it this one, the next, or the one after that... I'm not saying that any of them will, just that any of them have the potential... and it is a gamble that some are/are not willing to take (support).
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Post by OBSESSED » Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:17 pm

We/they have worked for YEARS in an attempt to remove the "Anything Goes!" from the headlines of national newspapers... and all of that can be flushed down the drain with a single misguided event, be it this one, the next, or the one after that... I'm not saying that any of them will, just that any of them have the potential... and it is a gamble that some are/are not willing to take (support).
Finally a partial post that agrees with my points and understands.


And I'd like to add:
If you want to start your quad at 3 am and race around camp, I do not care, you don't have any respect, for me your camp mates, or any one, same goes for the Industrial Generator guy that runs it till 2am, then starts it again at 6 am... What ever! DO IT! It does not bother me, that is part of Glamis, you most likely bought your permit, and you or someone in your camp dunes/rides.
Dune users or camping with dune users [some one that has an OHV-someone in your camp] is fine...

However, HK and Voice have become PC in how they must react, it is Bull in my eyes….
Going to the dunes to do any thing that does not involve the dunes [an event on asphalt, a concert] does not evolve the dunes and should be banned.

Who should decide? Here are my rules:
I'll decide, if the BLM will not give you a permit to do what ever you want to do at the bottom of COMP Hill, and you must go back door and hold your event on PP [or way down in Wash 36] for it to be 'Legal' than you are breaking the dune users code and YOU do not respect the dunes.

I want to know who is underwriting the event?

How many rent a cops will there be, will they be 'packing'?

Quad riders beware, sounds like a perfect rouse for the thief’s of the world...
We will hear a story after this event about a guy [or girl] ridding up on their brand new 450 [could be a 400] and leave it for five minutes outside this 'Party' and come back and it will be gone.
Quads have been stolen from the fenced area at the GBS…
Don't take the chance... Walk in from Wash 22.…

I’m tired of all the PC duners and people who think the ISDRA is a multi use area. Nobody goes to the ISDRA to read a book, put their toes in the sand or just drink Margies, UNLESS THEY are camped with someone that has OHV’s… which I say is fine…
Agree with me [if you are a non PC duner like myself; or disagree if you have become so PC you can not even recognize your dune user roots]
I can’t bend my thought process on this, and I am surprised that ANYONE can??!!!
[shaking my head in disbelief at those with their heads in the PC quick sand pit]

I am not trying to make friends, and really do not care if your Politically Correct thought process has become short circuited by logic…

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Post by Voice » Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:59 pm

Wow, I don't think I've ever been called "PC"...

Anyway, Steve, you are way off base. You keep equating a private event on private property with Dune usage. Apples and Oranges.

Anyone who attends any private event who then uses the dunes is still and always subject to all dune laws and rules. The existance of a private event does not change that.
It seems as if you are telling those who own property and live out there that they are not allowed to use thier property simply because of their proximity to the dunes. Starting to sound a bit Orwellian to me.
There is a permit process required in Imperial County. You are not simply allowed to just throw a commercial party on a whim any more than you could do that at your own house.
If any such party were to adversely affect the dunes, for example, if a bunch of trash were to blow into the dunes, then that private owner would be responsible. And I'm certain that the BLM will be right on top of such things.

Then again, is sounds as if you have some adversion to certain "types" of people. This is something I find particularly dispicable. Let's get something clear. You, or I or anyone else has ZERO right to pre-judge people based simply on their choice of music, dress, or any other condition you choose to judge people by.
You are way out of line here. You do not get to choose who is acceptable. The ASA does not get to, I do not get to... The LAW chooses who is acceptable and who is not and in America we have this thing called "Innocent until proven guilty".
Now, if AFTER the fact you find all sorts of defficiencies in the Law enforcement for this event, or a prevelance of lawlessness which goes unpunished then you and I can talk... but until then you are doing nothing more then trying to force your facist ideals upon those people who are just trying to live their lives in their own way.

Face the fact. The dunes are for everyone, duner, hiker, family or single person alike, regardless of favorite music, choice of clothes or camping practice.

It will be a cold day in hell before I let the likes of you or anyone pick and choose who gets to use our Public lands.
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad in a letter to President Elect Barak Obama
"May God Almighty ... bless the leaders of societies with the courage to learn from the mistakes of predecessors,"
"I hope that you will be able to take fullest advantage of the opportunity to serve and leave behind a positive legacy."

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