Need we be surprised?

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:53 am

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12 ... latestnews
Yes, I know some will say, it's Fox. Chances are wouldn't see much of this kind of reporting from NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN or PBS.

Washroad · Post by **Washroad** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:44 am

Enviromentalists = Taliban

We know what to do.

Sloppyduner · Post by **Sloppyduner** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:02 pm

HSSC wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/16/private-property-endangered-species-pose-problems-landowners/?test=latestnews
Yes, I know some will say, it's Fox. Chances are wouldn't see much of this kind of reporting from NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN or PBS.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:00 pm

Sloppyduner wrote:
HSSC wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/16/private-property-endangered-species-pose-problems-landowners/?test=latestnews
Yes, I know some will say, it's Fox. Chances are wouldn't see much of this kind of reporting from NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN or PBS.

And your point is?

Sloppyduner · Post by **Sloppyduner** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:56 pm

HSSC wrote:
Sloppyduner wrote:
HSSC wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/16/private-property-endangered-species-pose-problems-landowners/?test=latestnews
Yes, I know some will say, it's Fox. Chances are wouldn't see much of this kind of reporting from NBC,CBS,ABC,CNN or PBS.

And your point is?

theres a section for this crap. Some people need to get a life. post a picture of a girl or something. something fricken interesting would be nice.

Heck I just spent the evening learning how to get a bottle jack to work again. Lemme guess the liberal media will make sure that Obama lets everybody out of jail because hes a muslim and all those people are going to hunt down and kill Chukzilla unless he tells them where this bottle jack is.

See that right there!!! writing that Bull crap, was more fun than than reading some copied and pasted link to how somebody, or group did something stupid. Heck all I gotta do is stand out in front of my house for 5 minutes or go to the store and see things that get me angry. I don't see how some people around here not only like to read this stuff and let it fester in them , but they post links here looking for others to get all excited about it too. Its old. Post a stupid game, make fun of Chuk. or ANYTHING other than links to stuff no one here can do anything about until the next election.

ChuckZilla · Post by **ChuckZilla** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:25 am

Forget politics, I'm looking for O-rings for a bottle jack.

Sloppyduner · Post by **Sloppyduner** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:39 am

ChuckZilla wrote:Forget politics, I'm looking for O-rings for a bottle jack.

Ya it would be nice to crush pennys without getting fluid all over the place. Did you powerwash the press yet?

ChuckZilla · Post by **ChuckZilla** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:59 pm

Sloppyduner wrote:
ChuckZilla wrote:Forget politics, I'm looking for O-rings for a bottle jack.
Ya it would be nice to crush pennys without getting fluid all over the place. Did you powerwash the press yet?

Gonna do that today, and I'll get the jack apart also so I can source o-rings. Do you have more pennys?

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:04 pm

Sorry for breathing.

Rekd · Post by **Rekd** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:05 am

This goes hand in hand with the recent changes being made to the Clean Water Act that will enable the control of any land that has water on it. Even puddles or areas of seasonal flooding.

If you ride an ATV or other OHVs in the desert or other type of "playa lake", "mudflat" or "sandflat" your right to ride on public AND private land could be getting washed away in the name of The Clean Water Act.

According to a congressional bill, S787, "intrastate lakes, rivers, streams (including intermittent streams), mudflats, sandflats, wetlands, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playa lakes, or natural ponds;". will be moved under federal jurisdiction and subject to regulation.

That's pretty much all the water except subterranean (well) water. The wordage in the original Clean Waters Act of 1972 for this bill was purposefully changed:

by striking `navigable waters' each place it appears and inserting `waters of the United States'.
This bill goes to the Senate on October 15, 2009. From there it goes to the House, then to the POTUS to be signed into law. This is in addition to the federal take-over of the auto industry, the credit and banking industry, the bid to seize the health-care industry, and everything else our current administration is trying to control.

Source

It's funny (not funny "haha") and predictable that the likes of Sloppy would choose to ignore it completely and change the subject based only on the source. I hope he doesn't have any seasonal puddles or places that flood occasionally on his land because it could very well affect him if he does.

Sloppyduner · Post by **Sloppyduner** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:59 pm

[quote="Rekd"] the likes of Sloppy would choose to ignore it completely and change the subject based only on the source. quote]

I like dat "the likes of sloppy" What you mean like fat long haired people around the world. Or just the ones waiting in line for a breakfast burrito.

Then the part where you know why I change the subjuct. I'll spell it out.
B-O-R-I-N-G
O-L-D
The likes of HSSC need to look up happy stories and look up at a few stars every now and then.

Rekd · Post by **Rekd** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:07 pm

Sloppyduner wrote:
Rekd wrote: the likes of Sloppy would choose to ignore it completely and change the subject based only on the source. quote]

I like dat "the likes of sloppy" What you mean like fat long haired people around the world. Or just the ones waiting in line for a breakfast burrito.

Then the part where you know why I change the subjuct. I'll spell it out.
B-O-R-I-N-G
O-L-D
The likes of HSSC need to look up happy stories and look up at a few stars every now and then.

From one skinny long haired person to one fat long haired person; the idea that things like this don't bother you smacks of passiveness (or worse, agreement with it). That passiveness (IF that's what it is) is largely to blame for the downward direction this country is taking.

I can only guess, but I'd venture to say that you don't do much outside of volunteering your time to the ASA to prevent things like the massive land grabs and power grabs and economic grabs we're facing from our own government. That being said, what you do do will be moot in light of what we stand to lose in the next couple of years.

It's sad that you sit by and watch it happen all the while mocking those that would try to inform you.

And personally, I don't know if I believe that the reason you ignore it and/or change the subject is because you are "bored" with it.

alyshka · Post by **alyshka** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:00 pm

Sloppy, The answers to all the worlds problems can be found at
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1 ... hterm=head

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:40 pm

Soared into the sky with us watching from our parked cars. Enjoying a needed break from a hard morning of skiing. It added to atmosphere of fun as we all watched the free show. A crowd of skiers, boarders, pairagliders, enjoying the views, sun and laughs. Ice cool beer. Barbe-Qs going. Just another fun filled day a Mt. Rose Ski Resort, 11 miles from my doorstep. This year were skiing/shreading Squaw Valley Ski Resort 48 miles from our doorstep. The place is amazing.

Gee, got off topic a bit.

Yes I do try to bring attition to issues. I'm not a walking encyclopedia of off-road issues and related issues, like some, so I try to make imformation avalible to others.

Post by **Woodglue** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:10 am

Sloppyduner wrote:Heck I just spent the evening learning how to get a bottle jack to work again.

I read this over and over again, and I was wondering why someone would have trouble getting a bottle of Jack to work.

Then, I read this:

ChuckZilla wrote:I'm looking for O-rings for a bottle jack.

Oh, it's a Bottle Jack.... not a Bottle of Jack.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:43 am

Here we are living the boring life.

Now I'm giong to leave for some more boring stuff.

SHREDING SQUAW VALLY USA

Washroad · Post by **Washroad** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:40 pm

Woodglue wrote:
Sloppyduner wrote:Heck I just spent the evening learning how to get a bottle jack to work again.
I read this over and over again, and I was wondering why someone would have trouble getting a bottle of Jack to work.
Then, I read this:
ChuckZilla wrote:I'm looking for O-rings for a bottle jack.

Oh, it's a Bottle Jack.... not a Bottle of Jack.

NOTICE!!!!!

ANYONE HAVING TROUBLE WITH A BOTTLE OF JACK, PLEASE SEE WASHROAD IMMEDIATELY!

Washroad · Post by **Washroad** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:45 pm

HSSC wrote:Here we are living the boring life.
Mt-Rose-parked-slide-side.jpg
Now I'm giong to leave for some more boring stuff.

SHREDING SQUAW VALLY USA

I have to admit, that area is beautiful. I lived in Truckee for a year and never had time to have any fun, too busy working all summer and weekends were spent getting ready for winter, winter I spent plowing snow and I barely made enough money to live. It was beautiful, just too much work and too freakin' cold for me, so back to Orange I went.

Post by **Woodglue** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:30 pm

Washroad wrote:
Woodglue wrote:
Sloppyduner wrote:Heck I just spent the evening learning how to get a bottle jack to work again.
I read this over and over again, and I was wondering why someone would have trouble getting a bottle of Jack to work.
Then, I read this:
ChuckZilla wrote:I'm looking for O-rings for a bottle jack.

Oh, it's a Bottle Jack.... not a Bottle of Jack.
NOTICE!!!!!

ANYONE HAVING TROUBLE WITH A BOTTLE OF JACK, PLEASE SEE WASHROAD IMMEDIATELY!

HSSC, looks like you're having a rough day up there!

PS: This is my kind of Political Discussion! =D>

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:23 pm

You know who liked Jack. Frank Sinatra, ( god bless his soul ) on the rocks in an English Highball glass. He sat at my bar, in China Seas Restrant at MGM turn into Bally's Casio in Reno Nevada. Had a guy watch me make the drinks for his table. I had my place and ( believe it or not, my mouth was shut, unless spoken to ). Frank did give me the nod as he left for chilling his glass before I filled it with Ice and free poured the Jack. We were never aloud to free pour but for Frank...............

I had a good night that night for tips. You could say part of the home I now live in has some Frank Sinatra in it. =D> =D> =D> $$$$$$$$$
Thanks Frank.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:44 pm

Washroad wrote:
HSSC wrote:Here we are living the boring life.
Mt-Rose-parked-slide-side.jpg
Now I'm giong to leave for some more boring stuff.

SHREDING SQUAW VALLY USA
I have to admit, that area is beautiful. I lived in Truckee for a year and never had time to have any fun, too busy working all summer and weekends were spent getting ready for winter, winter I spent plowing snow and I barely made enough money to live. It was beautiful, just too much work and too freakin' cold for me, so back to Orange I went.

It was a bit of a tough life in the begining. But I'm very conservative/tight with my money. I was never into white powder drugs, gambling or bar hopping/party life kind of thing.
I was a very boring person who stayed at home and live to ski another day

I saved my money, cut firewood in the summers, met my wonderful wife and built upon the lifestyle that I now enjoy through personal effort, without the government giving me a dime. I only asked for the chance to work for it.

Sometimes work can be very boring, but I get a great deal of personal satisfaction taking care of the customer. I like to call them my friends and from the feedback I get they are.

God bless America.

I'm so transparent.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:20 pm

Here is some more of the ( highjacked ) boring life of my family;

Summer 2009,

God Bless we are living the good life.

Sloppyduner · Post by **Sloppyduner** » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:01 am

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Washroad · Post by **Washroad** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:27 am

HSSC wrote:You know who liked Jack. Frank Sinatra, ( god bless his soul ) on the rocks in an English Highball glass. He sat at my bar, in China Seas Restrant at MGM turn into Bally's Casio in Reno Nevada. Had a guy watch me make the drinks for his table. I had my place and ( believe it or not, my mouth was shut, unless spoken to ). Frank did give me the nod as he left for chilling his glass before I filled it with Ice and free poured the Jack. We were never aloud to free pour but for Frank...............

I had a good night that night for tips. You could say part of the home I now live in has some Frank Sinatra in it. =D> =D> =D> $$$$$$$$$
Thanks Frank.

I knew Frank like Jack. I know most "sophisticated" drinkers prefer Scotch, but to me, bourbon (Jack in particular) tastes better.

I like mine neat. No ice, no water, no cold glass, just pour a double in a highball glass and give it to me. Jack don't need no modifiers!

Washroad · Post by **Washroad** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:42 am

HSSC wrote: It was a bit of a tough life in the begining. But I'm very conservative/tight with my money. I was never into white powder drugs, gambling or bar hopping/party life kind of thing.
I was a very boring person who stayed at home and live to ski another day

I saved my money, cut firewood in the summers, met my wonderful wife and built upon the lifestyle that I now enjoy through personal effort, without the government giving me a dime. I only asked for the chance to work for it.

Sometimes work can be very boring, but I get a great deal of personal satisfaction taking care of the customer. I like to call them my friends and from the feedback I get they are.

God bless America.

I'm so transparent.

Oh, I worked while there, trust me.

I worked for an excavating company in the summer. I drove dump truck, hauled equipment to job sites, ran a backhoe some, ran a chain saw a lot and made a whole $10 an hour with no benefits.

The winter was spent working for the county (before Truckee was incorporated) driving snow plows. During the month of January, I had only had 1 day off there was so much snow. I drove a Cat 988 and opened up the Old Donner Pass Road at night! Took me a week to do that, and that road doesn't even have guard rails. I made a whole $8.97 and hour and had no benefits with the exception of being paid for Christmas Day. I worked New Years Day as it wasn't a holiday.

Living in Truckee was a dead-end. Prospects of finding better paying work were nil. I spent what time I could looking for work in Reno and had zero luck. A friend back down here called and told me I had a job waiting if I'd get here. I'm here.

I've only been back up there once; my brother/sister-in-law lived in Juniper Hills and had 20 acres. We drove the moho up and parked in their yard for a week one Labor Day. They have since sold and moved to the Bay Area.

I'm glad I spent the time there, I still talk about it occassionaly, but I'd never move back up there. The cold sucks (I was outside shoveling snow at -22 degrees), snow sucks when you need to get out of the driveway, taking an hour to get to the grocery store because of snowpack sucked. Great place to vacation, but I would never live there again.

Post by **Woodglue** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:28 am

Washroad wrote:I made a whole $8.97 and hour and had no benefits with the exception of being paid for Christmas Day. I worked New Years Day as it wasn't a holiday.

Living in Truckee was a dead-end. Prospects of finding better paying work were nil.

I grew up 'up there'. In Grass Valley, Ca to be exact. My dad used to call it 'Pine Cone Compensation'. "It sure am pretty up there, but you cant take those pine cones to the bank!"
I'm still in touch with some of my HS friends up there. For as bad as I thought it was when I lived there, it's a whole lot worse now!
Needless to say, I havn't looked back since I left.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:08 pm

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HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:46 pm

Well, just wanted to update everyone on the latest of the boring side of life.

Just spent the last two weekend days of the month of March, 2010, skiing some of the steepest slopes Squaw Valley Ski Resort has to offer. Going from packed powder to spring snow in one run with my thirteen year old daughter hot on my tail. She is becoming quite the skier, never one to whine, she just gets er done. We are a team, grinding out the runs, racing to the lift for the last run of the day. A chance to relax a bit and work on techic as she will be on the ski team next year. She has my legs, pure power.

I'm a very proud father, she will be entering the honors program her freshman year. Hard work does pay off !!!!!

Sandcock · Post by **Sandcock** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:08 am

number one priority is raising your children and doing it right =D>

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:50 pm

This is my family at Squaw. Someone on these threads woundered about my marital status.

Well over 20 years now.

My girl about to drop in.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:01 pm

This girl knows how to SHRED. I can still stay a step or two ahead.

The question is

for how long.

OH YA, work those legs. Shes on rails.

This is my little girl, to be clear.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:59 pm

Today 4-13-10 Squaw, Hogs Back. Spring skiing. More of the boring life.

Working her way down Hogs Back, perfect form, perfection, she's my girl.

After the steep, we race to the lift. Midweek, no crowds, 50+ MPH, on the flats to the Headwall lift. I win every time. Course I've got 30 years of this boring stuff ( skiing ) on her..............How long can I keep this pace up [-o<

Mid life is treating me good and I earned it.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:19 pm

Sloppyduner wrote:
Rekd wrote: the likes of Sloppy would choose to ignore it completely and change the subject based only on the source. quote]

I like dat "the likes of sloppy" What you mean like fat long haired people around the world. Or just the ones waiting in line for a breakfast burrito.

Then the part where you know why I change the subjuct. I'll spell it out.
B-O-R-I-N-G
O-L-D
The likes of HSSC need to look up happy stories and look up at a few stars every now and then.

If you look real close there is a smile on her face, THAT IS A HAPPY STORY.

=D> =D> =D>

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:36 pm

Just tried to post a past picture with a file larger than 75KB and it will not post. Looks like I've lost a privilege because I don't fit a certain mold. Then again I've spoken my mind..................

on me.

Washroad · Post by **Washroad** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:19 am

HSSC wrote:Just tried to post a past picture with a file larger than 75KB and it will not post. Looks like I've lost a privilege because I don't fit a certain mold. Then again I've spoken my mind.................. on me.

There is something in the Wide Open Sand forum about posting pics. Again, quit making yourself a victim.

Post by **Woodglue** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:11 pm

HSSC wrote:Just tried to post a past picture with a file larger than 75KB and it will not post. Looks like I've lost a privilege because I don't fit a certain mold. Then again I've spoken my mind.................. on me.

Everyone on this BBS has the same exact allowances and permissions for posting pics.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:22 pm

Washroad wrote:
HSSC wrote:Just tried to post a past picture with a file larger than 75KB and it will not post. Looks like I've lost a privilege because I don't fit a certain mold. Then again I've spoken my mind.................. on me.
There is something in the Wide Open Sand forum about posting pics. Again, quit making yourself a victim.

OK, I've posted large files and then I deleted those files because I do not conform to the clubs standards, you have made me the victim, because I dare to speak my mind. =D> =D> =D>

You guys play your little word games and send someone to the rule book, only when it suits your agenda.

Just love what Oduma has done to this country. He is nothing more than a car salesman, talks a good line.............. =D> =D>

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:32 pm

There are pic's with large files on these boards right now, LOL

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:37 pm

This is one of our boring trail rides/ back in the days of my daughters Blaster days. Those were good times.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:09 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ3VNib7S8

You libs just keep voting, go Jerry, Moonbeam, Brown. =D> =D> =D> HA HA HA

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:02 pm

Why we ride.

My daughter was 12 at the time of this pic. Her first trip on the Z-400. The look on her face tells the story.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:01 pm

http://www.iwantyourmoney.net/

Coming to a theater near you.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:55 pm

http://www.youtube.com/finalascent#p/a/u/0/hlwk46nT3rc

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:18 pm

HSSC wrote:Here we are living the boring life.

Now I'm going to leave for some more boring stuff.

SHREDING SQUAW VALLY USA

Looks like this boring oldman will be "getting off " to one of the greatest early season ski seasons of my lifetime........

99 and counting................that is inches................of snow..............

http://www.squaw.com/#

The shredding will commence.......

Oh, thats right, its the ski season, sand or snow..............

We like to displace all of it................

Oh

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:22 pm

The ski season has arrived.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:39 am

Mt. Rose, Slide Side, with a view, no extra charge. Just another boring day on the hill.

We have season passes at Rose and Squaw. Squaw is an hour away, Rose is 15 mins out the door..........:<) =D>

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:24 pm

FINALLY, OVERALLS THAT FIT!
Just ask for the ' TENNESSEE CUT'

http://mybirdie.ca/files/finallyoverhaulsthatfit.jpg

Brand new edition of....
'You know you're a redneck when......
1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree.
2. You can entertain yourself for more than 15 minutes with a fly swatter.
3. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years.
4. You burn your yard rather than mow it.
6. The Salvation Army declines your furniture.
7. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don't want it.
8. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial.
9. You come back from the dump with more than you took.
10. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table.
11. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat.
12. Your grandmother has 'ammo' on her Christmas list.
13. You keep flea and tick soap in the shower.
14. You've been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.
15. You go to the stock car races and don't need a program.
16. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.
17. You have a rag for a gas cap.
18. Your house doesn't have curtains, but your truck does.
19. You wonder how service stations keep their rest-rooms so clean.
20. You can spit without opening your mouth.
21. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it.
22. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand.
23. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say 'Cool Whip' on the side.
24. The biggest city you've ever been to is Wal-Mart.
25. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV.
26. You've used your ironing board as a buffet table.
27. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does $100,000 worth of improvements.
28. You've used a toilet brush to scratch your back.
29. You missed your 5th grade graduation because you were on jury duty.
30. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:03 pm

This is Scotty, on my daughters ski team doing the tricks. Good kid. Assisted, me when I made a last second decision to go for the single line and the old man got tangled up in the netting, after losing my balance and kissing the snow. He was hanging at the lift for friends. Could of just kick it and laughed inside but chose to help. I was there the day of this vid. We all have our duties. We all take part, in the displacement of SNOW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVLSIIKbVy0

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:32 pm

Some sad news from slopside as a fellow student at my daughters high school lost his life in an accident at the Mt. Rose Ski Resort.http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/view/ ... _Fatality/

The weather had taken a turn to the warm side Saturday night 1-15-16-11 and winter snow turned to mush. I skied one run on Sunday 1-16-11 and went home.

We went from winter conditions to late spring snow overnight. Spring snow is good, if it can freeze overnight. I could write a book about snow conditions..................

Students were doing their finals and getting out of school at 11.45 am . Lots of time to rip the white stuff, until the lifts close at four.
On the Slide Side, East facing, early sun would give you good snow but as the sun went over the hill, things would freeze up.
A good kid lost his life, doing the shred thing...............

Lesson learned, when on hard snow , keep your hard steel edges on.

RIPShred on..............................to a better place.

HSSC · Post by **HSSC** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:27 pm

The little shreder gets out of school at 1:45 on Wednesdays and it has been perfect snow for ZOOMERS ON THE GROOMERS.............The snow is hard and it is still hard. Skinny skis rule. Some people call it ice...............I call it a licence for speed.

We reach speeds close to 70 miles per hour at the bottem of the runs and if there wasn't people in the way.....................