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For those of you that dump your waste in the dunes prior to going home, this message is not for you and all respectful duner's wish you would stay away!!!

Recently the Torres-Martinez Desert Cahuilla Indian reservation (Red Earth Casino) added a very enticing sign to the road side of highway 86s that will possibly create havoc amongst the Glamis travelers.

FREE DUMP STATION!

This is a very dangerous situation due to a minimized available turn lane that must cross oncoming traffic without a turn signal. Additionally the lane begins, directly after a long sweeping turn that will make it difficult to see stopped traffic and Cal Trans has let their message board run out of gas! The people that currently plug the entrance of Mecca Truck Stop to use the dump station will undoubtedly seek this option to save some money!
I would encourage all 86s travelers to heed caution, during the 07/08 riding season, when making the long trip home on Sunday. There is not enough warning and there will be many accidents due to this lack of planning.
I have tried several times to contact a Cal Trans Traffic Engineer to see what, if anything, will be done to ensure public safety at this location. My efforts have, so far, been futile and no questions have been answered at this time.

Please be safe and note the location of this dangerous area so that you might avoid injury and make it home safe.

I will continue to update this post as more information is obtained.


Ride safe and keep our dunes clean!!!!

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I think the casino owns that message board.

Another problem with the entrance/exit to the casino property is there is a short distance between the highway and the frontage road that is unpaved due to some dispute between them and the state.
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LoBuck wrote:Another problem with the entrance/exit to the casino property is there is a short distance between the highway and the frontage road that is unpaved due to some dispute between them and the state.
An excellent observation, that points out another reason for the back up. This short unpaved apron will cause longer MHs and THs to go slower thus needing more time to get across, and clear of, the south bound lanes.

Yet another problem with this spot is; the shared median that must be used to enter and exit the Casino/Dump Station will make it impossible to keep clear enough for people to come and go freely, as there is insufficient space for the amount of expected traffic.

I'm hoping they (Cal Trans) are planning for a signal at this location. As much as I hate to see Traffic lights on the highway, I would rather see people make it home in one piece.

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:-k I wonder what this intersection will look like when the scheduled 200 trucks per day are going thought it when the Mesquite Landfill opens up!
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I made the left hand turn across the highway to dump my tanks there last weekend and I agree that it's a severe safety hazard. I have a very short rig, a truck camper with a small trailer, and even though there was very little traffic at the time and I waited until I could see no oncoming vehicles, the first car that came into view after I started across probably felt like they had to slow down to miss me.

Cars often are traveling at 75 or more along that highway and due to the already mentioned curve and a slight hill to the north of the casino you just can't see far enough down the highway in that area to get a rig across the highway safely before a fast moving vehicle can get to you. Even with no other vehicles blocking the area leading to the casino, the transition from the highway to the casino driveway is so rough and torn up that you absolutely do not want to hit it at any speed. people are going to be slamming on their brakes when they get to it, leaving the back of their rigs and their trailers in the path of the highway traffic even longer. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE THERE! If it was finished and reasonably smooth you could floor it across the highway and get out of the way faster.

The existing signals along that highway near the 10 are already a nightmare when there's a lot of traffic and I really hate to see any more of them put in. If the casino and it's location is going to create a major safety hazard where there previously was none I say they should be forced to spend some of the many millions of dollars they plan to separate from the people that travel that highway to build a proper overpass crossing with adequate on and off ramps to keep their customers and everybody else that uses that highway safe without impeding through traffic. I know the casino will fight for a signal with frequent and long red lights for the highway instead because it will guarantee them a lot more business. A certain percentage of people will think "Well, I have to stop anyway, I may as well get some gas or something to eat or check out the casino". I am sure it was in their master plan all along to get a signal installed there to make everybody stop in front of their new casino.

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I found some recent proposals for an overpass at Mecca Truck Stop (86s and 195/ave 66) but I have yet to find any information regarding this location. I drive past it on a weekly basis and they do not seem to be moving forward on anythig at this time. I do know that they paved a section of road to the north but Im not sure what their intentions are.

Unfortunately I have to agree with you, people will have to pay the ultimate price before something happens! I think I will write to the Tribal Counsil and ask them what their plans are for the intersection. Maybe they can give some insight on the objectives to keeping their popsicle stand safe and out of peoples obituaries.

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jduke wrote:I think I will write to the Tribal Council and ask them what their plans are for the intersection.
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If you do that jduke, please keep us posted. If you'd like, you can even post your letter into this thread. :wink:
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Post by curlie »

I just passed this thread on to a coworker who is involved in the Cahuilla tribal meetings. I'll talk to her about it, and about becoming a business sponsor, CORVA, ORBA etc... I will also see if she knows about the opening of the new landfill/traffic issue.

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